Re: Fort Hood

Problem, of course, is that this Muslim officer was enthralled with jihad and suicide bombings--if news reports are to be believed. That's an issue, whether you want to yap about "wingnuts" or not.
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And, I might add, remember 9/11? 3000 Americans were incinerated by Muslim extremists. Yet Americans, almost to a man, didn't conduct reprisals etc. Perhaps, just perhaps, people ought to acknowledge that.

thanks KT, we always appreciate your interaction here

Spob, I do think it could have been much worse after 9/11, but Muslims, Arabs, Indians, etc. did get a lot of crap thrown at them. Judging by some of the comments I've read recently, they should be braced for more. I don't think it'll be to the same extent as it was in 2001-2002, though, for a lot of reasons.

beelkay, that's BS. In a nation of 300 million, there are bound to be lunatics (e.g., the person who killed the Sikh in Arizona), but for the most part America was tolerant to a fault of Muslims after 9/11. That is something to be proud of, and it is something that is underreported.

Your caution is noted. This is a tragedy and it hits home because it happened here. Our soldiers are fighting an unusual war: not set piece battles, no army at the other end, etc., no rules of engagement. So we are asking our men and women to adapt to a style of fighting which has been conducted at great personal cost to the infividuals.

Now I know there is an almost by rote "we thank you for your service" bs that comes out of our collective mouths. But, in the end, a tiny minority of our citizens are paying for our political ineptitude: we have got into two wars without knowing what victory means.

Thank you, bitterpill8, that was very well said.

My dear friend dwilli. It may come as a surprise to you, but I fully agree with JOHN J. MEARSHEIMER's article you linked. He does state a very apt comparison of Vietnam with Afghanistan.
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I have said on this very site that if Obama does not put forth the soldiers that Gen McChyrstal requests, then Obama's next best choice was to bring our men and women home from this conflict.
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I do not want to see those who are fighting for our freedoms today to run into the same public hatred and disgust that was so evident when I came home from Vietnam nearly 40 years ago now. No soldier should face that sort of disrespect from his fellow citizens he or she has sworn to protect, fight for, and die to protect their freedom.
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With that said, Maj Malik Nadar Hasan is simply a coward and a murderer. Instead of utilizing the same techniques that I am sure he was taught as a Psychiatrist to offer as advice and counseling for the soldiers who suffered from PTSD or other mental health disorders for himself. He resorted to plain and simple violence. Violence that ended the lives of 13 of his fellow Americans, and military family members. He injured it seems over 27 others, shooting them like rats at the local city dump, for what reason? So he did not have to deploy to Afghanistan.
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It is a time to step back as queencersi has said, and look at this event. To allow investigators to do their job. I even believe that Mr Hasan deserves a fair and just trial, and when found guilty will get his due justice. I am glad that it is in Texas, and hope that the military decides to turn this case over to the local, civilian jurisdiction. Not only for the due justice that is needed in this case, but also to spare the military from making any decisions which could result in the execution of this coward, or face a multitude of accusations from the liberal backed ACLU.
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My point in the other thread was simply to say that it is my belief that the politically correct meme of the left, directly attributed to this tragedy. I have no doubt.
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So hopefully your "teaching moment" has been successfully completed, and it makes you feel special now. Perhaps you can also learn a lesson or two from all of this. But, I sincerely doubt you have the intelligence or humility to allow that to happen.
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May God bless America, and our courageous Men and Women of our armed forces.

I posted this in the discussion below, but I think it bears repeating:
Why don't we all take a step back? This happened less then 24 hours ago. Right now all anyone can do is speculate as to why Major Hassan committed this act. Instead of quickly forming opinions based on rumor and conjecture why don't we give it a few days and see what unfolds. Just because the media is jumping to conclusions doesn't mean the rest of us have to follow.

"the yellow ribbon stickers and thank you's we're always exposed too"
Now there's a new low. Sorry, but I'll continue to display my ribbons and will thank a soldier at every opportunity. The ones I come in contact with really seem grateful. I hope my display of our country's flag doesn't push you over the edge Sean.

Yes, Sean. 18 year old kid during Desert Storm - British forces.

2thirds, if you're comfortable with the modern equivalent of the medieval indulgences sold by the church, that's fine. It's your life, do your thing. But please try not to insinuate that I'm mentally unstable, K? Thanks.

You're not mentally unstable--you're just a twit.

2thirdsrocks,
What is the point of your post? A vet expresses his feelings and you weigh in with insults.
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Do you display ribbons to express your gratefulness for the sacrifices of others, or do you display them to impress your friends? If you are truly grateful, then try to honor a veteran's opinions with the respect they deserve. Spare us the insults.

2/3rds of a nut doesn't think anyone is patriotic unless they believe in FOXworld...

Well I guess I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't eh bobcn1? He already said thanking him just irritates him. Well I will thank you any way Sean. And I mean that from the heart. I'm not a vet, but my son just returned from the Helmand province unharmed but very heartbroken and frustrated. Three of his buddies didn't make it back alive. Forgive me for feeling his frustration and sadness, and hopefully you can forgive me for speaking a little too quickly to you. I mean that.

If you had resisted calling his opinion 'a new low' you wouldn't be damned at all.
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BTW - I am a vet. I feel the same way about the emptiness of magnetic car ribbons and ritualistic 'thank yous' that Sean does.

Apology accepted. I know I've said more than a few stupid or misinterpreted things before, both on the internet and in real life.

I display my ribbons for precisely that Bob. Appreciation. I did not serve, I deserve no pat on the back. Long before the towers fell, even before the gulf war, I always carried a deep respect for our military men and women. I almost joined when I was 18, but backed out at the last minute. Admittedly for selfish reasons. I've kicked myself many times for that. I display my stickers because I am proud and thankful. Even those who haven't deployed and may never, I am thankful, they put their personal lives totally on hold in sevice of their country. Nothing is too good for them. I fly my flag and always have, for them, and for the priveledge to live in this great country. Please don't be irritated Bob, but I thank you for your service too. You guys are the heroes, I'm just sitting on the sidelines. I do all that I can but wish I could do more.

'You are a pathetic mass of gelatinous material to call you human would be a massive overstatement.'
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Do you think you persuade anyone with childish behavior like that? Grow up.

bobcn1

Spare me your sanctimony. Liberals here alway stalk about high-minded discussions and facts then proceed to denigrate, name call and deride anything that might be contrary to their opinions. Read the any of the Crap that IQ53 has written, then talk to me about growing up. The hypocrisy is mindboggling.

Don't be ridiculous spob. CAIR has about as many ties to terrorists as you do when you fill up your gas tank. What do you want? Every member of CAIR arrested for treason and the organization disbanded?

And you say you aren't a wingnut.

nathan7777

Do believe there are any terrorist organizations, I mean besides those that include white conservative males? Just curious?

"ties to terrorists". Ya see, nathan, that's a quote from Chuck Schumer (D-NY). Is he a wingnut?
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The bottom line is that CAIR is soft on Hezbollah, an organization that killed 241 Americans, so forgive me if I greet their condemnation with a bit of skepticism. What is a pity is that the news media, which is supposed to be skeptical for a living, uncritically passes along CAIR's condemnation.
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And nathan, CAIR is an un-indicted co-conspirator with terrorists:
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/16/us/16charity.html
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Funny how that little fact doesn't make its way into the coverage.

You beat me to this post. I guess that it truly was a teaching moment. Someone taught the Messiah to keep his mouth shut.