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The wingnuts are already promoting a--bogus, of course--link between the Fort Hood shooter and the President. I would recommend that this post be read in conjunction with a look at the brilliant Jon Stewart impersonation of Glenn Beck posted by Amy Sullivan below. Can't you just see it?

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  • 1

    Joe, I might laugh at that if it wasn't so ugly and sad.

    • 1.1

      ... and if those rage-filled psychopaths weren't controlling one of the two major parties, and with it the bulk of the political discourse of the country.

    • 1.2

      Actually that isn't funny at all. How many people will read Corsi's comment and believe it? You have a sub-group out there who will believe anything negative of Obama, no matter how ridiculous or how often the lie is disproved. How long before one of these people decides to make an attempt on Obama's life? Or a member of Congress? How often can you tell a person who may already be unstable or have a propensity for violence that person X is out to destroy this country before they decide to do something about it?

  • 2

    Joe-There has been another shooting in FL. This guy's name is Jason Rodriguez. With a name like that, I think he may be a christian terrorist. Or maybe even an illegal alien christian terrorist. Please check with the catholic church and any other christian denominations you can contact in this country and ask them to condem this latest shooting. I think this is the least we can ask those folks to do since we seem to have required all Americans whom happen to be muslin in this country to condemn the killings at Ft. Hood yesterday. And I'm not laughing.

  • 3

    Good grief, Joe, yes, there are lunatics in America who will seize on anything to smear Obama. But is that really the important thing right now? And is your "LOL" really appropriate here?
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    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html
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    So pray tell, Joe, is the author of that piece a wingnut?

    • 3.1

      Credit to you for recognizing that Jerome Corsi and the staff of WorldNetDaily are "lunatics ... who will seize on anything to smear Obama."

      Unfortunately, Corsi and WorldNetDaily are treated as legitimate, credible sources by many mainstream journalists. Until that changes and it is generally accepted that the "lunatics" do not deserve attention, it is unfair to blame Klein for pointing out their nonsense.

    • 3.2

      Pretty small part of the story, right now. Looks like a distraction. And "LOL", not what I'd title it.

    • 3.3

      A wingnut, maybe, who cares. A lunatic? Yeah, probably.
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      http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=29373
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      But you're right-- the right-wing pretend-to-be-mad freakout over the president's remarks really is a sidelight.

  • 4

    No they are taking the advice of the President not to jump to any conclusions before any facts are viewed. A courtesy the President and liberals did not give to Officer Crowley.

    Joe I would say I am disappointed in you post but I would have to have an expectation that you would take an unbiased reasoned position. You must be gunning (no pun intended) for Oberdoof's job on MSNBC. Here that flushing sound again Joe. Hint: Your career

    • 4.1

      free, when you write:
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      Joe I would say I am disappointed in you post but I would have to have an expectation that you would take an unbiased reasoned position.
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      One has to wonder what an "unbiased position" would be on a loony conspiracy theory story that falsely links yesterday's Ft. Hood shooter to Obama?
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      Do you think there's a direct connection between the shooter and Obama, as professed by Jerome Corsi?

    • 4.2

      The point, palininatowel, is that this is classic bias--choice of topic. What some right-wing lunatic is saying really isn't very newsworthy at this point. It's also a distraction from something like this:
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      http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html
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      Certainly not one of Obama's finer moments.

    • 4.3

      spob, that the third time you have (obsessively) posted a link to that article. Last week, you (obsessively) posted the link to the photo of Michelle Obama at the Medal of Honor ceremony.
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      I would like to suggest to all posters here that we start a contest to guess what sort of link you will (obsessively) post next Friday.
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      My guess? A link to an article that claims that Obama is planning to personally euthanize elderly conservatives once the Democratic health care reform bill is passed.
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      Anyone else want to hazard a guess?

    • 4.4

      palintowel:

      Were you and IQ53 separated at birth? Better question what happened to the brain since it is apparent neither got it (or any portion thereof).

      I don't know if there is a direct connection. And do you know what Joe doesn't either. He is making an assumption but he truly does not know.

    • 4.5

      No, freetopee, we weren't.
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      It just means that you exhibit more than a few glaringly obvious features that make us want to gently remedy them.
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      Think of it like what you would think people should do if they saw an animal in serious distress...

  • 5

    Also "participating" in this event:

    Amanda Christopher, American Red Cross
    Siobhan Gorman, Wall Street Journal
    Jeff Gunnulfsen, National Petrochemical &. Refiners Association
    Patrick McCrummen, American Red Cross
    Roger Platt, The Real Estate Roundtable
    Marisa Rijpkema, The American Israel Public Affairs Committee
    Claire Sale, American Red Cross
    Carrie Santos, American Red Cross
    Leslie Smith, American Red Cross
    Bini Zomer, The American Israel Public Affairs Committee

    …and my personal favorite,
    Jen Dimascio, Politico

    It's a conspiracy, I tells ya!

    • 5.2

      spob, glad to see you seem to have gotten over your obsession with what Michelle Obama wore to a Medal of Honor ceremony (last Friday's obsession), and have now moved on to obsessively reposting a link to an article from a columnist for Rupert Murdoch's New York Post that alleges (almost like the supposed Michelle Obama gaffe) that Obama did not properly express sadness over the Ft. Hood shootings yesterday.
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      Just as in your obsession from last Friday (where you asked for comments on Michelle Obama's attire at least three times in a "1,000 words" thread), the only folks who seem to have a problem with the way Obama addressed the tragedy at Ft. Hood yesterday are -- wait for it --- rightwingers like yourself (and the NY Post columnist).
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      Gee... What a surprise.
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    • 5.3

      Giving "shout-outs" just after American servicemen have been massacred. OK, nothing to see here, just move along.

    • 5.4

      spob, I posted a link to the video of Obama's remarks as well as a transcript, below. You are wrong (and obsessed) , as usual.

    • 5.5

      palinintowel:

      You truly are deaf blind and Stupid!

    • 5.6

      Thoughts?
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      Um...I'm thinking that you're kind of a scumbag, spob, for trying to politicize the remarks Obama made.

  • 6

    Joe Klein:
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    You know the author of the "piece" is Swift Boat author Jerome Corsi, right? ( link to rightist rag )

    HOMELAND INSECURITY
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    Shooter advised Obama transition
    Fort Hood triggerman aided team on Homeland Security task force
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    Posted: November 06, 2009
    9:21 am Eastern
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    By Jerome R. Corsi
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    © 2009 WorldNetDaily
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    NEW YORK – Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter in yesterday's massacre at Fort Hood, played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama's transition into the White House, according to a key university policy institute document.

    So unless there's another "Jerome R. Corsi" who just happens to write for that rightist rag, it's this same author of the Swift Boaters' book "Unfit for command":

    Jerome Robert Corsi (born August 31, 1946) is an American author, best-known for his two New York Times bestselling books: The Obama Nation and Unfit for Command (with co-author John O'Neill). Both books, the former written in 2008 and the latter in 2004, attacked Democratic presidential candidates and were strongly criticized, and included numerous documented factual errors.[1][2][3]
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    In other books and columns for conservative websites such as WorldNetDaily and Human Events, Corsi has discussed topics that are considered conspiracy theories in some circles, such as the alleged plans for a North American Government, criticism of the United States government for allegedly covering up information about the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, promoting an abiotic theory of petroleum (arguing that oil is produced from chemical reactions in the Earth, in contrast to the scientific community's consensus that oil is produced from the bodies of animals and/or plants), and alleged United States support of Iran in its attempts to develop nuclear weapons.[4][5][6]
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    n August 2004, Corsi's Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, with attributed coauthor John O'Neill, was published by Regnery Publishing. The book sold more than 1.2 million copies.
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    The...theme of the book was that Kerry's four month tour in Vietnam had been marked by cowardice under fire and fraudulently obtaining medals. In that regard, the book contained statements by some veterans of the Vietnam War who served with John Kerry on Swift Boats, several of whom executed affidavits in support of their claims; these claims were repudiated by other veterans who served with Kerry and often were disproven by outside sources, including the Navy's official records. [28]

    So the lying rightists who literally wrote the book on Swift-Boating are back, this time with more of their fraud to peddle to cable news.
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    That the rightists apparently have this bottomless lack of decency or shame is unbelievable...or is it, Joe Klein?

    • 6.1

      sz, instead of focusing on a book author, how about the Commander-in-Chief, giving shout-outs, just after a massacre of US servicemen . . . .
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      and, to boot, Obama awarded the guy being feted a Congressional Medal of Honor.

    • 6.2

      The subject of the post is, quite properly, that there are despicable lies being spread, and so it is relevant in the extreme to note that these are the same inveterate liars who have been lying non-stop since they that time in 2004 when they spread the lie accusing John Kerry of cowardice.
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      The people trying to Swift-Boat Obama now --who would like to bubble those lies up into the mainstream media --are literally the Swift Boaters from 2004.
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      This is obviously relevant to the current lies.
      Since the Swift-Boaters were so thoroughly discredited, it speaks volumes about the credibility of these extreme rightists and professional slanderers, and therefore the "story".

    • 6.3

      I'd say the Swifties thoroughly discredited John "Seared in My Memory" Kerry. And don't forget, they made an allegation that Kerry was present when the assassination of US Senators was being discussed. Kerry started to deny, but then shut up about it when FBI notes seemed to corroborate teh Swifties' stories.
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      Were some of the Swifties' claims overblown--yes. But the reality is that they got a Presidential candidate to correct his very public record about his Purple Hearts and his "Christmas in Cambodia" tall tale. As for the being present when assassinations were discussed, well guys, why didn't Kerry more vociferously deny it?

    • 6.4

      SZ:

      In the back and forth on swift boating, I seem t remember an issue regarding the release of some medical records that Kerry promised to complete. The controversy was the entire file was not released hence the arguing.

      I assume you got a private viewing of this since Kerry lied and never signed the release form. Ans as usual the MSM let it slide.

  • 7

    There was a second "link" between the shooter and Obama and, sad for Joe Klein, this one does not appear to be bogus.

    Early reports remain inconclusive, but the apparently the shooter was a high-ranking officer in a militant organization of which -- and, again, reports are hazy on this -- Obama may have been "Commander-in-Chief".

  • 8

    Joann, the neocom, hasn't missed a beat since her (unfortunate) return to the U.S. She and the rest of her liberal gal pals blamed the "extreme right wing rhetoric" for the Holocaust Museum shooting this summer but for some unkown (sarc.) reason does not blame the Fort Hood shooting on the extremen left wing rhetoric. Is it any wonder why Time has to lay off 400-500 people? They would be much better off financially and otherwise if they got rid of just one, Joann, the neocom.

  • 9

    As I recall, libs and the media did cover President Bush's "My pet goat" moment. Well, what about Obama's shout-out. I'd say they were pretty similar, but Obama had been briefed beforehand, Bush had someone whisper something in his ear.

    • 9.1

      You'd say they were similar. Allow me to state the obvious, Spob. You are a fool.
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      There is a profound difference between sitting on your ass while the nation is under attack and -- at most -- recognizing the presence of a Medal of Honor recipient at a public address with an overly casual (and "urban," no doubt) remark.
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      No, the two are not remotely similar. I can honestly say that I feel sorry that your profound obsession with attacking Obama would lead you to equate the dereliction of leadership during a national security crisis with -- at best -- a communications faux pas.

    • 9.2

      The guy wasn't even a Medal of Honor winner . . . .
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      So Obama f'd that one up too.
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      Guys, here's the question:

      "Mr. Gibbs, was it appropriate for the President to be giving shout-outs and applause lines immediately after a massacre of American servicemen?"

  • 10

    I hope you (and your colleagues) keep ridiculing these lunatics into complete political irrelevance because the alternative aren't the slightest bit funny.

    treason n 1: the betrayal of trust : TREACHERY 2: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family.

  • 11

    http://www.time.com/time/columnist/klein/article/0,9565,1549271,00.html
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    And looky here, Joe Klein mentions "My Pet Goat", yet Obama giving shout-outs after being briefed that American servicemen have been massacred just isn't all that worthy of comment.

  • 12

    spob, I don't think anyone should take your word )or that of a coumnist from Murdoch's New York Post on what Obama said yesterday about the Ft. Hood shootings.

    Therefore, in the interest of presenting the actual facts (something to which you possess an aversion), here's a link to Obama's remarks yesterday as news of the shooting was still evolving:

    <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/05/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5540492.shtml"<Obama on Ft, Hood shootings

    In addition, here is what he said:

    "It's difficult enough when we lose these brave Americans in battles overseas," the president said. "It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil."

    "My immediate thoughts and prayers are with the wounded, and with the families of the fallen, and with those who live and serve at Fort Hood."

    "We are working with the Pentagon, the FBI, and the Department of Homeland Security, all to ensure that Fort Hood is secure, and we will continue to support the community with the full resources of the federal government.,"

    "In the meantime I would ask all Americans to keep the men and women of Fort Hood in your thoughts and prayers," he continued. "We will make sure that we get answers to every single question about this horrible incident."

    "And I want all of you to know that as Commander in Chief, there is no greater honor, but also no greater responsibility for me, than to make sure that the extraordinary men and women in uniform are properly cared for and that their safety and security when they are at home is provided for."

    I guess in your world, that's a "shout-out."

    But you live in a very strange world...

  • 13

    World net daily is the internets equivalent of The National Enquirer. Stay tuned, tomorrow when mr. corsi will be posting on the two headed heathens staged to storm our country. He knows it's true - he's seen them!

    • 13.1

      As a fan of the National Enquirer, one of pop culture's (and grocery marketing's) mainstays, I strenuously object to its comparison to WorldNet Daily. The latter is, at its best moments, the digital equivalent of a piece of toilet paper from the floor of the Minneapolis airport men's room.

  • 14

    Comparing Bush wetting his pants while the country was under attack with this is a stretch. Even for you.

  • 15

    THE PRESIDENT: Please, everybody have a seat. Let me first of all just thank Ken and the entire Department of the Interior staff for organizing just an extraordinary conference. I want to thank my Cabinet members and senior administration officials who participated today. I hear that Dr. Joe Medicine Crow was around, and so I want to give a shout-out to that Congressional Medal of Honor* winner. It's good to see you. (Applause.)
    My understanding is, is that you had an extremely productive conference. I want to thank all of you for coming and for your efforts, and I want to give you my solemn guarantee that this is not the end of a process but a beginning of a process, and that we are going to follow up. (Applause.) We are going to follow up. Every single member of my team understands that this is a top priority for us. I want you to know that, as I said this morning, this is not something that we just give lip service to. And we are going to keep on working with you to make sure that the first Americans get the best possible chances in life in a way that's consistent with your extraordinary traditions and culture and values.
    Now, I have to say, though, that beyond that, I plan to make some broader remarks about the challenges that lay ahead for Native Americans, as well as collaboration with our administration, but as some of you might have heard, there has been a tragic shooting at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas.
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    Palininatowel, note the word "shout-out".

    • 15.1

      Changing the subject, hijacking the thread, anything to avoid the glaring fact that the Swift Boaters --professional smear-campaigners and extreme rightists-- are spreading lies again.
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      Don't let the subject change, commenters!
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      It's important to focus on the fact that lies are being spread for political advantage, and that they must be clearly labeled as such, lest the political media descend into the He Said-She Said that allowed the Swift Boat liars to gain temporary, yet crucial currency.
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      The subject of this post is "LOL", which in this case is "Laughing Over Lies".

    • 15.2

      Sorry sz, Palinatowel has engaged. And he/she is wrong. Let's get that right.

    • 15.3

      Again, spob, only the fringe, of which you are a proud, card-carrying member, would find anything wrong with what Obama did here. He thanked the very people who invited him to the event. And after these remarks, he moved on to his remarks about Fort Hood. And he did say "shout out" to the Medal of Honor winner and drew appreciative applause from the audience in response.
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      I'd say this current obsession of yours has about as much importance to Americans (save for the loony fringe you belong to) as Michelle Obama's dress choice.
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      But, by all means, carry on with your obsessions.
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      Again, I think we should run a contest to see who can accurately predict your Obama obsession next Friday.

    • 15.4

      You had your facts wrong, palininatowel, get that right SFB.

    • 15.5

      Changing the subject, hijacking the thread, anything to avoid the glaring fact that the Swift Boaters --professional smear-campaigners and extreme rightists-- are spreading lies again.
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      Whatever, Stuart. This whole post is a distraction from the real issue: the dress that Michelle Obama wore three weeks ago.
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      spob, could you post a few dozen links to a story about that? Thanks in advance.

  • 16

    That Robert George sure seems to be sensitive-here he is complaining about Colbert's WHCD sppech.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-george/the-report-on-colbert-unf_b_20157.html

    So very sensitive.

  • 17

    Will Joe Klein be the first leftist freakshow freak to allege that the Orlando shooting was caused by "this unnecessary war", George W. Bush, Halliburton, Diebold, Blackwater, Fox News, the "pimp" and "ho" combo who exposed ACORN and sports utility vehicles? 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, ....

  • 18

    Guys, here's the question:

    "Mr. Gibbs, was it appropriate for the President to be giving shout-outs and applause lines immediately after a massacre of American servicemen?"
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    What possible answer is there but "No".

  • 19

    Funny how Joe Klein laughing at it makes it seem less funny...

  • 20

    Here is the unavoidable truth. It has taken the wingnuts less than 24 hours to politicize a horrific murder spree by taking cheap shots at the President.

    Sadly, at long last, they have no shame.

    • 20.1

      But Joe Klein referring to the Iraq war as "unnecessary" . .. . that wasn't politicization?
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      MS, KT, JNS, what do you guys think of Joe Klein's characterization of the Iraq war?

    • 20.2

      Spob, you are a scumbag.
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      There are 12 dead and 31 wounded Fort Hood.
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      And, in a pathetic, transparent, and thoroughly predictable to score cheap political points against Obama, you -- and your sleazy, wingnut bretheren -- choose to elevate the following to a scandal:
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      1. That Obama used the phrase "give a shout-out to" rather than "say hello to" an honored member of the audience.
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      2. That Obama made introductory remarks to the audience before making entirely appropriate remarks about the Fort Hood shooting.
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      3. That Obama apparently credited said veteran with being a Medal of Honor recipient when he was actually a Medal of Freedom recipient.
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      4. Phony links between the shooter and Obama, which, even if true, would be completely meaningless other than useful to smear Obama by association.
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      If Obama had cancelled his scheduled remarks, you'd be criticizing him for ignoring veterans after a massacre. If Obama had lead off his remarks by talking about the Fort Hood shooting, you'd be whining that he failed to give those present their due respect. To paraphrase Rep. Grayson said, if Obama had had a BLT, you would have attacked him for eating bacon.
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      We get it, Spob. We see your character.

  • 21

    And guys, remember, weren't you all worked up about Joe Wilson? But Obama's insensitivity is a "communications faux pas"?
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    Yeah, nice double-standards you guys have.
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    So tell me, what did Barack have for dinner last night?

  • 22

    I'd say the Swifties thoroughly discredited John "Seared in My Memory" Kerry. And don't forget, they made an allegation that Kerry was present when the assassination of US Senators was being discussed. Kerry started to deny, but then shut up about it when FBI notes seemed to corroborate teh Swifties' stories.
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    Were some of the Swifties' claims overblown--yes. But the reality is that they got a Presidential candidate to correct his very public record about his Purple Hearts and his "Christmas in Cambodia" tall tale. As for the being present when assassinations were discussed, well guys, why didn't Kerry more vociferously deny it?

  • 23

    Jerome Corsi was booted out of Kenya because he was peddling his filth there abour Pres Obama. WND creates "news" out of thin air.

    Spob, you once gave the impression that you were a serious person with useful arguments from a RW perspective. But your posts today sound hysterical. Last week it was about Michelle Obama. What's with the "weekly syndrome"?

    • 23.1

      I don't know, sevenoaks, showing up to a posthumous MOH ceremony with a garish cocktail dress isn't my idea of tasteful, and giving shout-outs and applause lines immediately after a massacre of US servicemen seems problematic to me.
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      How;s that hysterical?

  • 24

    And I suppose all of you guys can defend Mr. Patriot, john Kerry's statement that our allies with troops on the ground in Iraq were "window dressing" . . . .
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  • 25

    "It's important to focus on the fact that lies are being spread for political advantage..."
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    The point is, lies are being spread to incite hostility toward the president and the duly elected democratic government. Combined with calls for revolution, i.e., Rep. Michelle Bachmann's (and others) quotation of Jefferson to an angry mob she herself assembled, meets every definition of sedition and more. If anyone should happen to try to harm President Obama, every person who made up or propelled a lie to try to gin up hatred toward him should find themselves in shackles in a federal courtroom.

    • 25.1

      You are the enemy shepherd wang. You should be in shackles. You're political correctness is the only thing you will defend,when you defend the rights of terrorists against your own country you shelter the enemy. You spew your manufactured self righteous indignation whenever there's a war. Our boys are dying, oh my, oh look at the poor naked muslim with his drawers on his head,oh my we must stop this, haha, you just cause more of our troops to die. You are the enemy. Now you are kissing the ring of the biggest enemy this country has ever known. It's plain to see that if he isn't stopped this country will be reduced to nothing more than 3rd world. You are the enemy. Our constitution says it is our duty to overthrow our government when it becomes out of control. Did you know that? That should scare your pacifistic limpwristed little ass. That's what us teapartiers are about. We don't want violence, but at the same time we are not afraid of it. If we are such a small percentage of the population, why do you even bother to engage us?(only on here, of course) You hurl your insults(on here), you come up with some of the most humorous names, (on here only). Been to several rallys, but I never see you. Why because you are a coward. When a thief comes to your door you calmly let him in. When he comes to mine, he's in for the fight of his life. No country worth it's salt has ever survived without defending itself. When the spit hits the fan the cowardly kum bae ya crowd will be the first to die. If we get to that point, it will be because of you. We are doing all we can to stop it. Keep spitting out your self-righteous pompous insults from the safety of your computer, or find one of our rallys and come out and play. You won't, because you are a coward.

    • 25.2

      shep:
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      You must have really touched a nerve with 2/3rds of a nut. Wow.
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      All those times there was debate about "sedition" and "treason" and "terrorism" and all the other stuff about "democracy" and "patriotism" are simply down the drain on this one, shep.
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      He has simultaneously revealed himself and shot himself in the foot in a single all-encompassing rant.
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      Betcha his handlers are pissed...

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