Comments on: Lieberman Takes on Obama's Czars http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/22/lieberman-takes-on-obamas-czars/ A blog about politics. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:16:13 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Top Posts « WordPress.com http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/22/lieberman-takes-on-obamas-czars/comment-page-3/#comment-104792 Top Posts « WordPress.com Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:37:05 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=17582#comment-104792 [...] Lieberman Takes on Obama’s Czars There aren’t many Democrats that would be willing to take on their own White House on the sensitive topic of czars [...] [...] [...] Lieberman Takes on Obama’s Czars There aren't many Democrats that would be willing to take on their own White House on the sensitive topic of czars [...] [...]

]]> By: Why Traditional Print Journalism is Failing « FIFTH COLUMN http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/22/lieberman-takes-on-obamas-czars/comment-page-3/#comment-104754 Why Traditional Print Journalism is Failing « FIFTH COLUMN Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:59:56 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=17582#comment-104754 [...] when pressed on this little problem in the comments, the article’s author, Jay Newton-Small replied: “I presented both sides of the story. I’ll leave it to columnists and readers to draw [...] [...] when pressed on this little problem in the comments, the article’s author, Jay Newton-Small replied: “I presented both sides of the story. I’ll leave it to columnists and readers to draw [...]

]]> By: Jay Newton-Small http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/22/lieberman-takes-on-obamas-czars/comment-page-1/#comment-104477 Jay Newton-Small Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:40:24 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=17582#comment-104477 PNTTO: As you probably have noticed by now, the pdf of the letter was posted yesterday. JNS PNTTO:
As you probably have noticed by now, the pdf of the letter was posted yesterday.
JNS

]]> By: 2thirdsrocks http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/22/lieberman-takes-on-obamas-czars/comment-page-3/#comment-104468 2thirdsrocks Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:10:16 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=17582#comment-104468 Time Magazine. Obama buttsniffin' liberal rag. Nuff said. Time Magazine. Obama buttsniffin' liberal rag. Nuff said.

]]> By: grape_crush http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/22/lieberman-takes-on-obamas-czars/comment-page-3/#comment-104467 grape_crush Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:03:25 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=17582#comment-104467 Historical ledes, as written by Jay Newton-Small: "Anonymous sources tie Nixon administration to Watergate break in; Nixon denies knowledge, cover-up. You decide who is right." "America celebrates first steps on Moon while some skeptics say the event was fabricated. You decide who is right." "Pearl Harbor attacked in massive strike; Axis diplomats express suprise and deny involvement. You decide who is right." Historical ledes, as written by Jay Newton-Small:

"Anonymous sources tie Nixon administration to Watergate break in; Nixon denies knowledge, cover-up. You decide who is right."

"America celebrates first steps on Moon while some skeptics say the event was fabricated. You decide who is right."

"Pearl Harbor attacked in massive strike; Axis diplomats express suprise and deny involvement. You decide who is right."

]]> By: deconstructiva http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/22/lieberman-takes-on-obamas-czars/comment-page-2/#comment-104459 deconstructiva Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:49:26 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=17582#comment-104459 I’ll confess to continue tossing flowers now and then – esp. to KT, Jay, and Amy – but maybe all is not totally lost. Individually we might feed crickets but collectively our pressure may change things. Slowly. Really slowly. Just by clicking online for news instead of buying papers we’re changing the biz model. For the public option debate, perhaps enough squawking has kept this alive – Nate Silver opened this piece by pondering this… http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/10/why-less-pure-public-option-is-possibly.html I'll confess to continue tossing flowers now and then – esp. to KT, Jay, and Amy – but maybe all is not totally lost. Individually we might feed crickets but collectively our pressure may change things. Slowly. Really slowly. Just by clicking online for news instead of buying papers we're changing the biz model. For the public option debate, perhaps enough squawking has kept this alive – Nate Silver opened this piece by pondering this…
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/10/why-less-pure-public-option-is-possibly.html

]]> By: sacredh http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/22/lieberman-takes-on-obamas-czars/comment-page-2/#comment-104458 sacredh Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:39:03 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=17582#comment-104458 That's why I love it here. It's like having another dysfunctional family with the added bonus that I can leave when I want too and I don't have to feed them. That's why I love it here. It's like having another dysfunctional family with the added bonus that I can leave when I want too and I don't have to feed them.

]]> By: deconstructiva http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/22/lieberman-takes-on-obamas-czars/comment-page-3/#comment-104456 deconstructiva Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:10:31 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=17582#comment-104456 These media problems have been around a looooong time …think yellow journalism, Hearst vs. Pulitzer, etc. Hearst probably did NOT say, “You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war” (Spanish-American War, not Iraq), but the corporate media 100 years ago may have been as bad as today. Remember that even Walter Cronkite fought CBS management a lot. So why dump all of the blame for media demise on Jay, or Amy, or…? I do have a mild disagreement with Jay (*gasp*) about partisan news vs. neutral (#14.1). Given success from Marcy Wheeler and others, there can be room for both. Cenk Uygur says this better than I can – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/why-the-white-house-is-10_b_325986.html These media problems have been around a looooong time …think yellow journalism, Hearst vs. Pulitzer, etc. Hearst probably did NOT say, “You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war” (Spanish-American War, not Iraq), but the corporate media 100 years ago may have been as bad as today. Remember that even Walter Cronkite fought CBS management a lot. So why dump all of the blame for media demise on Jay, or Amy, or…? I do have a mild disagreement with Jay (*gasp*) about partisan news vs. neutral (#14.1). Given success from Marcy Wheeler and others, there can be room for both. Cenk Uygur says this better than I can –
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/why-the-white-house-is-10_b_325986.html

]]> By: Paul Dirks http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/22/lieberman-takes-on-obamas-czars/comment-page-3/#comment-104455 Paul Dirks Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:27:35 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=17582#comment-104455 I've tried in the past to give JNS the benefit of the doubt but holy Sheep-sh!T!!! . <i>Unfortunately, reliably unbiased news is harder and harder to come by these days because news agencies are trying to cater to people like you: people who prefer to view the world through one lens or another but rarely both.</I> . I blame post-modernism. A world where there is no truth and even science is a cultural activity may appeal to a certain generation. But it doesn't comport to reality. . So sad....... I've tried in the past to give JNS the benefit of the doubt but holy Sheep-sh!T!!!
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Unfortunately, reliably unbiased news is harder and harder to come by these days because news agencies are trying to cater to people like you: people who prefer to view the world through one lens or another but rarely both.
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I blame post-modernism. A world where there is no truth and even science is a cultural activity may appeal to a certain generation. But it doesn't comport to reality.
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So sad.......

]]> By: jcapan http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/22/lieberman-takes-on-obamas-czars/comment-page-2/#comment-104453 jcapan Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:01:32 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=17582#comment-104453 "Well, me and decon fall on different sides of the line. He defaults to niceness and encouragement, I default to insults and demands for the end of JNS' job." . No, I got that Cliff. But IMO, you're both right. Insults don't work and neither do roses. Any of us here trying to impact MSM coverage, create meaningful dialogue, or craft some utopian collaborative approach, well, let's just say we'd be as delusional as a certain commenter who cannot be named. "Well, me and decon fall on different sides of the line.
He defaults to niceness and encouragement, I default to insults and demands for the end of JNS' job."
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No, I got that Cliff. But IMO, you're both right. Insults don't work and neither do roses. Any of us here trying to impact MSM coverage, create meaningful dialogue, or craft some utopian collaborative approach, well, let's just say we'd be as delusional as a certain commenter who cannot be named.

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