No Peace, No Prize
There is a slight whiff of condescension attending the announcement that Barack Obama has won the Nobel Peace Prize. There is the sense that he has won simply by not being George W. Bush. Effete Europe is congratulating rowdy America for cleaning up its act and not bringing guns to the dinner table.
Well, I'm as relieved as anybody that the Bushian gunslingers have been given the gate and, as regular readers know, I'm a big fan of patient, rigorous diplomacy--and there's a certain lovely irony to any prize that brings the Taliban and the neoconservative Commentary crowd together in high dudgeon--but let's face it: this prize is premature to the point of ridiculousness. It continues a pattern that holds some peril for Obama: he is celebrated for who he is not, and for who he might potentially be, rather than for what he has actually done. If he doesn't provide results that justify the award, this Nobel will prove a millstone come election time. (See pictures of Obama's eight months of diplomacy.)
And so, how to handle this "triumph" becomes a strategic puzzle that requires serious thought. Two immediate thoughts occur: he can't reject it, but accepting it can't be about him. He can and should immediately say something like, "I don't deserve this." That's a no brainer. The question is, what should he say after that? (See "Why Winning the Peace Prize Could Hurt Obama")
Perhaps: "But the American people do." For creating and sustaining a stable and civil democracy that is the envy of the world. And he should celebrate the essential American idea: that the things we have in common as human beings are more important than the things that divide us. It doesn't matter who you are, where you come from, whether you believe in God or not--this American principle, the belief in certain inalienable rights, should be the basis for international interactions as well. (See the world reaction to Obama winning the Nobel.)
This should be followed by the necessary caveats--the things that conservatives call "apologies" but are required for credibility--especially the idea that we haven't always abided by our founding principles in dealing with the rest of the world.
But enough of the high-blown stuff: the Nobel needs to be an excuse for an action agenda. One idea, which Zbigniew Brzezinski has been touting, would be to announce the parameters for a Middle East peace settlement--and recruit the rest of the world to get behind it. This would not please those Israelis--and their American enablers--who want to hold onto lands that they gained by conquest, nor would it please those Palestinians harboring fantasies of regaining lands they left 60 years ago, but most people have a rough sense of what constitutes justice in this tortured patch of earth and Obama might use his Peace Prize to actually create some peace in the world's most vexing place.
I'm sure there are other things he can and should do--starting with finding an appropriate place to donate the $1.4 million that comes with the award. I'd give it to Greg Mortenson or someone else who has a successful track record of building schools in difficult places.
In the end, this premature prize is a significant challenge for the President: Will Barack Obama use it to demonstrate that he actually has the courage, moral fortitude, intelligence and creativity that the award portends? The expectations bar has always been set impossibly high for Obama. This raises it. (See "Obama Wins a Premature Peace Prize".)
UPDATE: Well, the President hit precisely the notes I predicted above in his brief remarks in the Rose Garden. I hope he gives some consideration to a more aggressive peace agenda, especially in the Middle East, in the weeks to come.
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I'm sure the president will give all your advice the attention it deserves.
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"I'm sure the president will give all your advice the attention it deserves."
Ah, Paul, I see you've adapted Obama's elitist attitude about himself, too. Be sure to wash your feet before you watch his next speech.
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@klein... premature. While it is true the award might be premature, so are you comments. Learn to listen instead of spouting out. The Nobel committee recognized that this President is capable of communicating, i.e. both listen and talk, and this in itself has moved the international community forward.
The President's envision of communication may not work in the US. This unfortunately due to the near-sightedness of the right wing; however, the international community recognizes the power of true dialog. As of the nah sayers "it's an anti-Bush" vote, yes it is a vote for true international dialog, not the bullying which had been the policy of the previous gang.
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Drone on. The Nobel committee makes the decision. Decision made. Get over it!
If the real motive is "Ding, Dong, the Witch is Dead" then so be it! I feel exactly the same way!
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p.s. I love Paul-no's comment, my other one was in the wrong place.
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Oh, jeez. Premature? I don't think so. But I understand why Joe Klein might say so now. Here's Josh Marshall for the block:
"[If] that seems like a meager accomplishment to many of the usual Washington types [like Joe Klein!] it's a profound reflection of their own enablement of the Bush era and how compromised they are by it, how much they perpetuated the belief that it was 'normal history' rather than dark aberration."
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And for a still wider perspective: "Mohamed Elbaradei, for example, said, 'I cannot think of anyone today more deserving of this honor. In less than a year in office, he has transformed the way we look at ourselves and the world we live in and rekindled hope for a world at peace with itself.' Mandela, Tutu, and Gorbachev, among others, also praised the announcement."
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Sure, maybe it doesn't play great in Peoria, or certain other Villages. But the fact is, the world's only superpower is on the side of the rule of law again. For those actually involved in the day-to-day work of making a better world, that's a huge deal. -
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Elvisber...
Dont degrade our fine country by implying that we were not on "the side of the rule of law" during previous administrations. Sending obama to meet with foreign dignitaries is quite embarrasing. He bows down to the Saudi king, apologizes for any perceptions people have of the US and distances himself from the great history of our country.
obama is a joke and this nobel prize is the punch line. If the Nobel prize is to have any merit, it should be given to people who have accomplished something, not given to people who start a dialogue that will end up as a muddy banter like all the other peace-keeping efforts. -
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If the Bush years were just a "dark aberration", that would mean Obama is the norm, and therefore hasn't done anything special to earn this award.
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Great post. But you and the media have set such a high expectations for this president.
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Americans should be dancing in the street. At a time when our influence and power seem to be diminishing, our President is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for envisioning the world a better place.
Norwegian Nobel Committee cited the president's creation of a "new climate in international politics" and his work on nuclear disarmament.
"A new climate in international politics" is a phenomenal change for the world. Instead of continuing in the vein of "no, we can't, no we shouldn't, no way I'm going to do anything the other side wants, not possible" we should be embracing hope and goodwill. Simple realy.
Stop being so critical and pessimistic. Rejoice in the award for our nation.
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jacklynd-"Reward to our nation"
HUH! Just a partisan reward to a mulatto who knows nothing about politics but for Acorn, Alinsky, Ayers, Marxism, welfare, income redistribution, surrender, apologize, insult, liar, ... oh heck, I could go on all day and still never finish.
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Perhaps you don't think turning this country around after 40 years of a conservative juggernaut was a monumental feat. Perhaps from your liberal perspective you think defeating the most inevitable candidate to come down the pike since Ike with a message of hope that inspired a world not just an American generation was a piece of cake. And I suppose you think doing all of that in a country that repeatedly proves its incapability to get past its racial issues from the skip gates affair to the glen beck accusation and even persuaded you to advise him to stay clear of the racial morass. Yet in your world that was no big whup. Obviously the rest of the world doesn't agree with you, they never thought that America would vote for a black president and that move into the so-called post racial America was at least as big of a civil rights move to black Americans in this generation as the king civil rights move did in his, where he got the prize as well. Of course, while that might have been what inspired his nomination so soon after taking office, his decision to go after total nuclear disarmament is just the latest awe inspiring act that clinched the decision.
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I totally agree with Saturday Night Live, I think the first year of his presidency has been a total waste, I can't think of one thing he's done to better the American people. He and his wife has done alot of talking about me and I. The American people are still without jobs and loosing their homes. Everything he does and says is about him. The stimulus package, debt for american people, alot of pork and alot of money for his friends, while american people goes without. He said his presidency would be transparent, if you call bulls--t transparent. He's taken over GM, banks and finance institutions, trying to take over health care, well if he succeeds in that, tell your mom, dad and all your senior friends bye bye. Instead of taking care of them, he will give their health care to some mexicano. wake up Dee and stop believing his lies.
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I imagine he is getting the award for the simple act of bringing a sense of calm, and rationality, back to international relations, in a relatively quick amount of time. It is not for brokering a peace deal in the ME, or bringing democracy to nations, who don't seem interested in it. They are just happy there is less fear and antipathy, in the world.
However, this is the sort of issue the right, and some in the media, will use to manufacture another round of outrage over. They will lash onto it, like a hungry dog on a bone.
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BTW-it's not like we don't all know what this is really about. The media is pissed got scooped! None of them got the story because they are so disinterested in the rest of the world they didn't bother to try and find out. They spent so much time focused on the relatively meaningless olympic failure that it never occurred to any of them that this other story was out there. They did not have a chance to speculate on it so it must be shocking. Besides didn't the SNL skit prove that he didn't deserve it.
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Dee:
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Working model for Obama and the media:
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Black janitor in the 1950s. -
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Dee I agree, my thoughts as I have seen how the media reacted this morning. I hope they look back and feel ashamed of their reactions.
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Joe:
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If you were president, what could you do in 230 days.
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Did you forget already that he did end the credit freeze at the beginning of his term. I might point out that the failure to end that freeze would have resulted in the collapse of the economy.
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Joe: "End the credit freeze."
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Undoing the Bush-Cheney mess will take much longer than 230 days.
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IMHO, today's Nobel Peace prize went to BHO, but the Swedes were really giving it to the American voters, for taking the nuclear codes out of the hands of warmongering fool Republicans.
It's a reward richly deserved, if I don't say so myself, and on my own behalf I'd like to thank the Academy.
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It's even better than when I won Man of the Year a few years back.
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And of course, Joe, let us not forget that the level of right wing hatred is a measure of his success!
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Give Joe a break. He's just pissed that he hasn't won the Literature Prize yet. You know (of course you do, he tells us all the time) he's written like SIX BOOKS or something.
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And Joe, I think that "slight whiff of condescension" may just be your bowels acting up again.
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It could be more.
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Can "Anonymous" win the literature prize?
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To what are we comparing President Obama's Peace Prize?
In 1919, President Wilson won the prize for his post-WWI peace efforts. This didn't prevent WWII.
In 1906, President Roosevelt won the prize for brokering a peace between Russia and Japan - two countries that would be our enemies in the coming century.
Our children and their children will judge whether this prize was deserved. Until then, we as Americans can choose whether we want our President to be successful.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-43042320091009
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Joe gets his pants in a snit when he gets attacked by the Crazy Commentary Crewe and will write reams on the subject.
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But what Joe forgets is that Obama is the target of the entire right wing crackhead mob. Guns at rallies, radio personalities calling for his death, insane Christian imams doing the same, and what does Obama do?
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He, stays silent on the subject, a very classy approach.
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"...and there's a certain lovely irony to any prize that brings the Taliban and the neoconservative Commentary crowd together in high dudgeon..."
Has the staff of The Weekly Standard broken into spontaneous wailing yet?
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The point many seem to be missing is that his application he staff submitted went into the Nobel prize committee 12 days after taking office. he had not really done anything yet at that point. It used to be that people get achievement awards after they have proven they value of that achievement, not while in the honeymoon infatuation of the event. Time will tell the value of his presidency over decades not weeks or months. I have nothing against President Obama and hope for his success, if ultimately is means a success for America and the world and not just for him and his party. But I'll reserve judgement until the proof is demonstrable which is what the Noble people did not do. This was without question an award for not being Bush but how much sweeter if it could have been an award for his lasting accomplishments. Carter's has proven pointless, hopefully Obama will earn his, time will tell.
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Thank You! 12 days in and they award him w/ this honor? This attitude that he's not "Bush" doesn't excuse his military stall tactics (which if you would think a moment, leaves our people in harms way) nor his push to move government into every aspect of our lives. Our children will not be so pleased when he's finished.
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"Carter's has proven pointless"? Do you mean the same former president whose organization has led the fight to eradicate various diseases in the Third World and helped to monitor international elections? Pointless? Really?
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Sorry, but Klein is right. There are a lot of bad reasons for media carping: They got scooped, their complicity in abetting the Bush administration, their failure to appreciate the impact of Obama's aspirational words on the rest of the world.
But just because there are bad reasons to criticize the award doesn't mean that there aren't good ones.
Personally, I'd prefer it if heads of state were ineligible for winning the prize. By and large, not nuking people or fighting illegitimate wars is part of their job description. Klein is right: Obama got this for simply not being George W. Bush. Whoopee!
Are there really no Mandelas, Tutus, or Mother Theresas out there more deserving than Obama?
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Mother Teresa does not belong in the swamp with far left liberals like Desmond Tutu and terrorists like Nelson Mandela, whose silence regarding the racist torture and slaughter of white South Africans suggests extreme hypocrisy and greed.
To the other eejit who, like every unwashed Marxist, blames the right for all the left's ineptitude and bloody legacies, Hillary is right now being primed to step in if the Nobel doesn't boost the Nobama.
Nobama is a real nowhere man. No one knows where he's from, what he's done, all his records are sealed - he can't cough without a teleprompter and he's sitting in the White House. Well he's in good company - the inventor of the internet, Gore the Bore and eat the fat of foreign aid - Yasir Arafat.
Nobel has no value. It is now totally debased.
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Obama may has changed "the tone" but his actions show that America only has one political party, the Rublicrat Party, and his actions prove that. He's "promised" to do a lot of things but we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan, Quantanamo is still operating, Wall Street remains unpunished and we still got no universal healthcare. He's "done" nothing except change the tone and is that all you need to do to win the Nobel Prize ? Look at who's won in the past and their accomplishments. Methinks the bar's been lowered. It is embarassingly low. Oh ... and since January 20th, how many people has America killed and how many Americans have been killed ? The doesn't sound very "peace"ful to me.
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Isn't this another example of "it's always good news for Republicans?"
The President of the United States wins the Nobel Peace Prize, and somehow he's the one with a political problem?
I would think it might occur to some reporter or pundit to wonder whether this might further discredit the Republican approach to foreign policy. The last time I looked, they were still the party of Bush/Cheney.
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Look at this from another place: the RW Bloviation Machine needs constant replenishment. Rush needs more after Joe Scarborough questioned his "testi...cular" fortitude this am.. So the Nobel Committee decided to get in on the act.
But the real problem is that the Villagers did not see this coming. Halperin and Drudge are still recovering from the shock of not knowing...
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I have said it before and I'll say it again. Barack Obama greatest achievment and ironically his greatest curse has been to move the debate so far in his direction that achievments and aspirations that would once have been considered radical and revolutionary are now considered mainstream, politics as usual and no big shakes.
I give you (a) the revitalised conversation in the world about nuclear disarmament, (b) a debate about healthcare that - regardless of the result it actually achieved - has moved the US forward immensely (think I'm wrong? where was the "public option" or indeed "single payer" in the national debate before he became President?), (c) an intangible respect for the 'other' (Cairo speech, No Ruz message etc.), (d) largest stimulus ever enacted getting criticism for not being large enough, (e) just simply putting balls in motion on so many issues that the media and assorted commentary have a massive case of whiplash, and (f) a manifestation to the world that the US public should not be judged by their election of W alone (that is what the oft-cited "it's not about me" or "I have become a symbol" language is all about).
To those who say that he is being given an award for rhetoric rather than achievments, let's look at past winners, shall we? Shirin Ebadi, probably one of the most popular winners, fights against the Iranian regime with rhetoric - has she achieved a change in the Iranian regime? No. But has she achieved a change in attitude of people towards Iranians? Of course. Same with most of the other recipients of the award.
I think this is a very welcome - if surprising - award and I'm sorry but the churlish commentary by the assorted media just shows the media to be the callow, shallow, selfish institutions they are.
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First off, the media have shown themselves to be “callow, shallow, selfish institutions” on numerous occasions before this one. It's nothing new, to their (and our) shame. But as for your points, I disagree with them.
I'd like nothing better than for the US to have a strong, intelligent, unifying leader with the courage to guide this country that I love out of hard times. Unfortunately, what we have is just another politician. What's worse, though people refuse to see it, he's Bush number 3.
First, your points:
a) “revitalised conversation... about nuclear disarmament” - Conversations are not results. Believe me, I understand that the process of diplomacy takes time. That's as it should be, but if we're giving someone credit for renewing a “conversation” we'll have to start handing out Nobels at cocktail parties.
b) “a debate about healthcare that... moved the US forward” – Forward? Really? The reason that the public option and single payer issues were not part of public debate before now is that they are demonstrably bad ideas, and were beneath argument. I can cite sources, but you've seen them all and rejected the logic, so I'll move on.
c) “intangible respect for the ‘other'” – I'll give you this one. Thank God for all that “intangible respect” that's keeping the dollar afloat right now.
d) “largest stimulus ever enacted” – Yes it's getting criticism, but not because it was too small! Are you daft? It's criticized for being (1) a bad idea from the start (2) ineffective to the extreme (3) full of pork and political payback (4) harmful in the long term. If we're being honest, let's be completely honest. The “stimulus” plan had nothing to do with helping the economy, that's why they didn't allow anyone to read it before the vote. (Can't blame the President directly for this one. Write your Congressmen, folks.)
e) “putting balls in motion on so many issues” – Well, every time something embarrassing for the administration comes up we suddenly have another issue to debate. If each of these issues was a circus act, we'd have a full three ring big top on the national mall right now, and we'd still be no closer to a resolution of any of our problems.
f) showing the world that “the US should not be judged by their election of W alone” – I have two problems with this.
The first is that if the world doesn't like who we vote for, let them speak at the ballot box. Oh wait, we're voting for OUR OWN leader and they can keep their opinions to themselves.
The second, (and I'm going to get flamed here) is that despite all of the campaign rhetoric and all of the slogans about how a vote for McCain was a vote for more Bush, the reality is that a vote for EITHER candidate was a vote for more Bush. Obama talks a better game, I'll give him that. McCain really didn't have a chance. The point, though, if we're being cold and logical, is that nothing has changed as far as executive policy since January 2009. What did everyone hate about Bush? Needless wars, domestic spying, Gitmo, and on and on. Well, let's look at Obama's first 9 months the mute button on (he's a good speaker, but words don't count for squat without actions): the wars continue with our troops in a worse position than before, the patriot act still stands, Gitmo remains, the economy took a nose dive and is still in decline as is the dollar, wall street continues to decline and still seems determined to bring the rest of the world down with it, the racial divide in this country hasn't been wider since before the Civil Rights movement.
I'm not saying the man is Hitler the Second or the new Stalin, I'm just saying that he's not the return of the Messiah, either. He's squandered his first 9 months on political issues and political payback which his administration and congressional cronies have couched in various, more noble motivations, and accomplished nothing.
I'd like nothing better than for him to make good on the promises he's made, but you'll never see me joining the Obama cult. In fact, until we start seeing some real positive results and a true movement to return to Constitutional government, personal liberty and a reliance on personal responsibility rather than a culture of victimhood, I will ardently oppose ANY politician and ANY cause that distracts us from that path.
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I think Obama deserved the prize. We live in dark and troubled times. His election has brought a ray of hope to many of us. We had lost our standing and respect in the eyes of many nations in the world. He has made an effort to turn that around and provide leadership on a global scale that COULD lead to breakthroughs in many parts of the globe. He has earned the prize based solely on that. You can't build a house unless you first lay the foundation.
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I am amazed that Obama was awarded this prize but happy too.
I support him, and also his campaign was largely responsible for my complete withdrawal from the Republican Party and becoming a full Independent—voting my conscience alone.
However, I am a little surprised by this award.
I find the President very charming and likable as a person. I also admire the efforts he is making about changing our image abroad and can see how he has cleaned up the image of us as “Gun Totting Bullies”.
But the Nobel Prize, wow!Maybe because of the sheer enormity of work that awaits him and the zest with which he is taking on mending the “New America” (the New America appears sick politically, economically and in so many ways that she can be compared to a crack head)-- which has caused such admiration that the Nobel committee assume he will do so much more Internationally. And this expectation has prompted a recognition of his initial efforts in International Affairs.
Nobel prize, wow!
Well, he seems to be doing so much at home with such little recognition.
The insult hurled by Joe Wilson, at least to me, is an index of the disrespect this President endures at home from so many. When Bush ran into Iraq and threw so many innocent lives away, I do not think the challenges he faced at home were laced with this glaring disregard.The Nobel Peace Prize is the most prestigious of awards and Obama has it premature or not, it is his own. It somehow alleviates the disrespect I think he has been shown here at home on so many levels. Too early or not, it is his. Hurray?
Now, I have to sit back and watch the way Fox News and his other detractors will analyze this award--outside of throwing themselves down on the streets and weeping in the rain of accolades that will flow abroad to Obama
Will it lead Palin to declare the Nobel committee a communist gang (hey, she has said worse) OR will Beck find someone on the committee who is a Van Jones type? Hilarious.As for Steele's remarks, does anyone really expect him to say anything not reeking in envy and vitriol?
I will be watching Fox today, their ire and confusion will be one for the record books.
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Why wait for Beck to find someone on the committee who is a Van Jones type or for Palin to declare the Nobel committee a communist gang? From the AP article "President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize":
Aagot Valle, a lawmaker for the SOCIALIST LEFT party who joined the committee this year, said she hoped the selection would be viewed as "support and commitment for Obama." Then, "And I hope it will be an inspiration for all those that work with nuclear disarmament and DISARMAMENT." (emphasis mine) Later in the article:
Unlike the other Nobel prizes, which are awarded by Swedish institutions, the peace prize is given out by a five-member committee elected by the Norwegian Parliament. Like the parliament, THE COMMITTEE HAS A LEFTIST SLANT, with three members elected by left-of-center parties. Jagland said the decision to honor Obama was UNANIMOUS. (Two of them rolled over, apparently)
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It's a perfect example of what Woody Allen once said:
"Ninety percent of life is just showing up."
Obama should donate the prize money to fund clinics that provide free health care to the uninsured.
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the Nobel needs to be an excuse for an action agenda.
More media knee-jerk, Joe? I was hoping for more of a well-considered response from you.
Posted on the prior thread...Why don't we look at what has actually been done?
- Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev agreed that their negotiators would work out a new limit on delivery vehicles for nukes and warhead limits as well.
- Scrapped plans to build a missile defense shield in the Czech Republic and Poland that...poses less of a threat to a jittery Russia.
- In-process closing of Guantanamo Bay prison facility.
- In-process withdrawal of US troops from Iraq.
- Opening talks with the likes of Iran, Syria, Cuba...
While most of this incomplete list is still in-process - and a true peace will always be in-process - there's one more point to consider:
In June, the U.S. president held a commanding lead over other heads of government in a poll of people in 20 nations with 62% of the world's population. An average of 61% of the respondents said they had confidence in Obama "to do the right thing regarding world affairs." The next closest leaders trailed him by 21 points.
In nine months the Obama administration is, by rejecting the belligerent Bush administration approach to foreign policy, restoring America in the eyes of the world as a force for good.
(links in the prior thread)
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As far as the worries about whether this was about him 'Not Being Bush', tt's probably that in large respects, but that kind of speaks volumes too about how Bush screwed the pooch far as our foreign relations went. Obama wanted to(and at least seems to be trying to) approach our foreign policy as an actual country, rather than a conqueror or bully, like many of our own allies seemed to view us under Bush. For the most powerful country on Earth to turn around like that at least rhetorically is probably a load off many of our allies' backs, as well as the countries that are more neutral on us than anything.
Remember, it's as much a prospective award than one for achievement. Valid arguments could easily be made about why it was the wrong choice, depending on the other nominees, but I see where it comes from, even if you try and boil it down to 'Because he's not Bush'
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Lets see. You perpetuate Dubya's War ON Iraq, expand the war ON Afghanistan and that wins you the Nobel Peace Prize.
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If Obama had already withdrawn all combat forces from Iraq, and continued Bush's strategy in Afghanistan, he would be even less deserving of the NPP.
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