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According to the Guardian, Ahmadinejad is not Jewish. Oh well, it would have been nice to think so. Why? Because those who demonize The Other deserve to be exposed as the imperfect, mongrel individuals they are. In the end, as DNA testing inevitably shows, we are all everyone, we are all The Other. Certainly, we're all Africans. Which is why I had to laugh when a humorless commenter to my previous post on this subject suggested that I might be part Persian. Actually, I had similar thoughts when I was in Iran earlier in the year--Persians kept saying that I looked like one of them. A high compliment, I thought, since they are very good looking people. And an awful lot of Jews lived in or passed through Aryanland (which is what Iran means--land of the Aryans).

I once pissed off a Rabbi by saying that I hoped my children would continue the mongrelization of the Klein family. "Oh, you're an American!" He said, meaning that my national identity was more important than my religious one--as if the two were mutually exclusive. But, in any case, guilty as charged! One of the things I love most about this country is that we're all here, mixing and matching, creating this master race of mongrels. (Irony alert: that was a joke.)

So I'm disappointed if Ahmadi-nejad turns out not to be a Jew. He could have used the confusion; it would have been...a teachable moment. We all could have used the reminder that we are we.

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  • 1

    A "master race of mongrels." How delightful! Let's put that on the currency.
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    Thanks for the fun post.

  • 2

    Sorry Joe, but I had already posted that link earlier in your other post.
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    10.11
    And this link is for Joe and You, stuart.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/05/mahmoud-ahmadinejad-jewish-family
    rustyreturns
    October 5, 2009
    at 10:06 am

    Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/03/he-does-sorta-look-it/#comments#ixzz0T5QiEYE6
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    I'll take my credit in the form of American dollars, please.

  • 3

    Iran - Aryan? Have you passed this on to the brethren in Montana. Maybe the brotherhood will establish contact with their forbears.

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    Were Ahmadinejad to have Jewish roots, he'd be up there with Eric Cantor in slapping down the "Jews-as-braniacs" stereotype. I leave it to those on the receiving end of that stereotype to decide whether that would be a good or a bad thing.

    • 4.2

      Joe Klein:
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      Thank you so very much for responding to commentary; it is greatly appreciated, and serves to clarify for news users your thoughts and intentions.

    • 4.3

      Does it count when Joe Klein wins his own thread? Or is that not kosher?

    • 4.4

      Hilarious. Thanks for the reply.
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      Had no idea Feith "lights the menorah," as Adam Sandler would put it. If only I had more Nixon's keen instincts about this kind of thing...

    • 4.5

      Joe Klein:
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      Here is a good interview with Business Week's Shirley Brady on (amongst other things) the value of journalist/commentariat interaction http://blog.freshnetworks.com/2009/10/businessweeks-shirley-brady-on-online-communities-and-crowdsourcing/ :

      I'm constantly interacting with my colleagues to parlay reader feedback and suggestions to editorial. Part of this job involves standing up for the reader and voicing their concerns and desires (enough of them know me by now, and on Twitter, to email or DM me to express their views. My email address is also listed on our featured readers page.
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      And another part is almost media literacy – involving readers in our journalism, opening up our process while inviting and respecting their opinions on a subject. You'll see our reporters on their blogs and on Twitter, for example, posing questions and gauging the sentiment on a story as they're reporting it. They're not only cultivating sources and building their own communities, but getting more informed about each story, and their beats, in the process. We create hashtags, put up daily polls and ask a lot of questions – it all helps inform editorial decision-making in terms of what will resonate with our readership.
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      As for other news organizations starting to embrace reader engagement: hear, hear! It's been gratifying to see the New York Times name its first social media editor, Jennifer Preston, earlier this year; and impressive to see the variety and inventiveness of strategies employed by my peers such as Mathew Ingram at the Globe & Mail in Canada, Andrew Nystrom at the Los Angeles Times, or Andy Carvin at NPR, or to see what the Wall Street Journal is doing with Journal Community and the NYT with TimesPeople – all smart media organizations that understand the need to foster their communities in ways that breathe life into their brands, engage people with their content and enhance their mission and value proposition to the reader.
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      As for crowdsourcing, as noted above, we actively solicit and value our readers' involvement and “invite them into our newsroom,” as John Byrne puts it, to inform our news decisions and editorial process. But I also believe that excellent journalism (reporting, writing and editing) has to be at the core of what BusinessWeek and other news organizations do, even as we open our doors to our readers. We're building community around our content, injecting readers into the mix, and shaking up any old notions (if they ever existed) that journalists have the market cornered on analysis and reporting – the Internet put paid to that idea, gladly.

      Perhaps you can use this interview when trying to explain to your more antediluvian-oriented colleagues (as you attempted to rather comic effect during a Matthews show weeks ago) how the journalist/commentary dynamic informs new iterations of your profession --especially crowd-sourced fact-checking processes.

  • 5

    Joe Klein:

    ...a humorless commenter to my previous post on this subject suggested...

    Thank you for referring to commentary; it is appreciated, although linking to the referenced comment is considered proper form.
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    Here is the link http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/03/he-does-sorta-look-it/comment-page-1/#comment-100357 to:

    Here we go AGAIN ... blogging trash - as if the deaths of kids our hand in killing kids in Afghanistan and Pakistan (with love from the mighty lands of morality, Judaist/Christian godliness and democracy) are a sideshow. [Yet JK has kids too ..]
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    Why is this rumor more worthy of a blog and our time than the multitudes of rumors out there? Is it because the word "Jewish" appears in there? Would it be as worthy if the word "Gypsy" was in there somewhere?
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    Would it be worth a blog and would we be more inclined to admit his half-baked cockeyed ideas more readily if there was a popular rumour out there that JK is a Gypsy or Jewish or a descendant of Nazis or slave-traders?
    Or would we dismiss him and his pretentious scribblings off-hand?

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    cfukara, October 3, 2009 at 11:59 pm

  • 6

    LOVE THIS and plan to quote it WIDELY!

    "master race of mongrels."

  • 7

    Joe Klein:
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    And the more that I read this post of yours, the more I'm becoming convinced that you're an able enough writer to successfully translate this form ("blogging") into your own literary voice, and help to justify this old magazine's online presence.
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    ...Notwithstanding our disagreements about everything, of course.

  • 8

    How Refreshing to read, "We are all Africans"...

    It is wonderful to see in print but considering the politics of color and race which have a stronghold in everything American, it will remain in print alone-never real or tangible enough in thought or act.

    Somehow, I think both those who use color to avoid every truth (cry "we black and so are targeted"-- and escape conviction or just make a living through throwing race around like a domino) and those who use it to justify every lie (by focusing on imagined differences and in the case of politicians, effectively using these fears and differences to get elected )--- will never allow that truth to really take hold of everyday thought and living.

    LM

    http://theblindspotsofgod.wordpress.com/

  • 9

    The President of the united States referred to himself as a mongrel. I guess that means that the mongrel nation has arrived. I approve.

  • 10

    "...we're all Africans."
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    What you meant, of course, is that we are all Pangeans. The landmasses that exist today did not materialize out of thin air, they dislocated from the singular continent of Pangea. How you come to associate this single landmass solely with Africa is beyond me.

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      Because Pangaea existed approximately 250 million years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea

      and homo sapiens (us) didn't arrive on the scene until about 200,000 years ago, give or take a thousand years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

      But in the end, we're all just a bunch of apes.

    • 10.2

      I'm surprised that you are unaware of the correct timelines in this case, neorationalist86, but it will be much better when you have this knowledge.

    • 10.3

      The "out-of-Africa" theory is simply such, a theory. It may have merit. Maybe not. The "multi-regional hypothesis," similarly, could be true. Such is the nature of dating sciences, they are far from concrete. With that said, let's say that hominds did, in fact, rise from Africa. This is not the same Africa that we know today. Human's have adapted and changed over time. There exist such great regional differences. Take a Korean, for example, next to a Namibian, next to a Scandinavian. Therefore, to say "we're all Africans," which of course has contemporary connotations, is simply a mischaracterization. There is truly no way of knowing what precisely an early hominid looked like. "We're all Africans" really is a rudimentary way of saying that we all stem from the same line, at some point in time, even though that line has been so deluded, so delineated, so vastly muddled, that to seek to paint a caricature of likeness is an egregious falsehood that denies current separateness, from culture, language, looks, down to the very core of our DNA. We are different. Embrace the difference. Cherish your tribe, among tribes.

  • 11

    wasn't A-jad one of those dudes who seized the US Embassy in 1979?

  • 12

    If the world is so "mongrel" now, why is it that the liberals always seem to want to throw out race as the way to solve all of their arguments or disagreements?
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    To allude that someone is a "racists", or in Joe's thought an anti-semite? But, to move beyond racism, one would think that you can also let go of the past so that you can move forward with discussions that by calling someone a racists only proves to stop any discussion.
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    I think one day the children of the world will look back on this time and say, "you know, my liberal Mommy and Daddy were racists". "They could not allow their liberal beliefs to move past their very basic liberal ideals to a point where they could discuss anything of substance that would solve any problems".
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    Liberals do not want to solve problems, if they did, then their so-called progressive movement would simply dry up and blow away.

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      Rustydog:
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      You make some decent points, but it would be better if you acknowledged and went about denouncing and rejecting the Southern Strategy/Christianist wing of the Republican Party, much the way that Barack Obama (upon the prompting of Hillary Clinton) genially --but explicitly-- denounced and rejected the Nation of Islam.

  • 14

    "House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) downplayed any intraparty agitating over the issue.

    “There's no divide in the Democratic Party on this issue,” Clyburn said. “The whole issue of the defense of the nation, that's an issue that we deal with a whole lot. We have not taken a position on Gitmo.”

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    Where IS all the outrage from the far left liberals?? Where indeed.
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    Oh yes, they are still caught up in calling everyone they disagree with a racist. They do not have enough time to really do anything. The hypocrisy is deafening.
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    Good job, spob!

  • 15

    "creating this master race of mongrels"

    As someone about to welcome a little hybrid into the world ('And we shall name him Prius'), that is an awesome quote. And one borne out by the scientific data.

    • 15.1

      Oh man. JC-san, if you honestly did this, I would seriously fly all the way to J-town just to buy you a few bottles of sake or whatever I could sneak into the country in my suitcases (tequila?). BTW when do we get to say omedeto to you and your other half?

  • 16

    JK: Nice post and I appreciate the sense of humor in it. I'm a bit of a mongrel myself. My mother is a female and my dad was a male.

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