President Obama is in the Room
Not really, but his promises are - namely, his health reform promise that “if you like what have, you can keep it” and his campaign pledge not to raise taxes on American families whose income is less than $250,000 year. Republicans are doing their best to keep these promises fresh in everyone's mind, while pointing out how they believe those promises are being broken. And Chairman Max Baucus is doing his best to defend the President.
After Republican Senator John Ensign brought up the “if you like what you have…” promise for the second or third time today, Baucus decided it was time to step in. “We're gonna hear a lot of this from a certain side and I just think it's important to clear the air a little bit... The fact is today, you can't keep what you like in many cases without passing a new law…Employers are changing plans all the time...That is the current status quo.” But Baucus said with his bill, “people are more likely to like what they have and if they want to move, they can more easily move.”
During his weekend talk show tour, President Obama tried to counter charges that the penalty for not having health insurance would be a “tax.” The Baucus bill says, due to the individual mandate, those who don't buy insurance will be subject to an “excise tax.” It's a safe bet that some middle-class Americans will not get insurance and will be subject to this. Charles Grassley was eager to point this out today, even bringing up Obama's promise. Baucus insisted that the only reason the penalty is described as a tax is because the Internal Revenue Service is the best federal agency equipped to collect the penalty. “It's really a penalty,” he stated, only to have Grassley reiterate that the IRS will be the agency collecting it. The amount people will have to pay if they don't get health insurance will be the same regardless however the amount is described. But it wouldn't be surprising to see this come up again somewhere - like in a Republican campaign ad.
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One thing that will eventually carry the day is that most of us represent a repository of facts, and not the suppository of FOX.
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"After Republican Senator John Ensign brought up the “if you like what you have…” promise for the second or third time today."
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Katie-Maybe you can point out to Senator Ensign that he made a promise to one person and he couldn't keep it.
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Seriously, I don't care who Ensign is f*cking, but you reporters keep treating these guys as if they are serious. And if was serious he would be presenting something other than bulls*t like this. Ensign does not give a flying f*ck if we get a healthcare bill or not.-
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Bwahahahaha. If I was a Senator, every time Ensign even opened his mouth I would cough and say "cheater" at the same time. David Vitter would get the same thing, only with "diapers".
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The only "Elephant" in the room is ObamaCare. Obama is just the conduit of the plan which will end our country as we know it today.
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Passing this legislation is simply the last nail into the coffin in which we will bury America.
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Going.....Going..... GONE-
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You may make fun gysgt. But, do yourself a favor and read this website on who is really behind all of this.
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You may think it is insurance lobbyist, when actually it is the man himself. George Soros.
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How familiar are you with his philosophy?
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http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=977
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Do youself a favor and enlighten your little liberal mind for a change. See what is really going on around you in the name of "Change We Can Believe In".
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Gun owner? Gone so far as Soros is concerned.
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Individualism? Gone so far as Soros is concerned.
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Want to own your own business someday? Gone so far as Soros is concerned.
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Oh he will let you keep your feeble little voice, but who will you voice it to? His bought and paid for Representatives or Senators? Perhaps you will voice your discouragement to MoveOn.Org? Nope he has that group in his back pocket too.
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Profoundly contemptuous of Bush, Soros blamed the President not only for many of the ills that plagued the United States, but for a host of problems afflicting other nations as well.
...Sounds like around 75% of Americans, to me.
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Seriously, this alarmist piece doesn't make sense on its own terms.
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One of the indicators of Soros' nefarious, leftist plot to overthrow the government is that he may be for:promoting social welfare benefits and amnesty for illegal aliens
, just like fellow comprehensive immigration reform advocates the leftist Geoge W Bush and the socialist John McCain.
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Ask me if I am at all surprised that you find this as "right on target" for what should be done with America, stuart.
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Not surprised at all here. As a matter of fact, I am surprised that you did not comment earlier.
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But, hopefully people who understand, who have intelligence enough to understand the path that Progressives, let by Soros, is such a cry out for this movement to be stopped and stopped now.
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So you agree with "Globalization, a one government world and economy"? Do you stuart?
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You believe that cap and trade should be used as a way to shut down all industry in the United States, and millions upon millions of American should loose their jobs, give up their retirements they have worked for 30, 40 even 50 years for?
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promoting the view that America is institutionally an oppressive nationpromoting the election of leftist political candidates throughout the United States
opposing virtually all post-9/11 national security measures enacted by U.S. government, particularly the Patriot Act
depicting American military actions as unjust, unwarranted, and immoral
promoting open borders, mass immigration, and a watering down of current immigration laws
promoting a dramatic expansion of social welfare programs funded by ever-escalating taxes, paying out 60% or more of your wages in BIG GOVERNMENT TAXES TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT TO WORK FOR IT.
promoting social welfare benefits and amnesty for illegal aliens
defending the civil rights and liberties of suspected anti-American terrorists and their abetters
financing the recruitment and training of future activist leaders of the political Left like ACORN
advocating America's unilateral disarmament and/or a steep reduction in its military spending
opposing the death penalty in all circumstances
promoting socialized medicine in the United States
promoting the tenets of radical environmentalism, whose ultimate goal, as writer Michael Berliner has explained, is "not clean air and clean water, [but] rather ... the demolition of technological/industrial civilization"
bringing American foreign policy under the control of the United Nations
promoting racial and ethnic preferences in academia and the business world alike
promoting taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand
advocating stricter gun-control measures
advocating the legalization of marijuana
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And, the list goes on from there my friends. You may want to live in a stuart zechman / George Soros world, I do not.
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I like the fact I own my own home, land and everything attached to it. I like the fact that if I choose I can go out hunting less than 100 yards from my front door.
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I do NOT want the powers that be in the United Nations to tell me what I can and cannot do.
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"...the last nail into the coffin in which we will bury America."
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Oh rusty, welcome to our world from 2000-2008. Everything Bush did seemed like it would be the last nail. In some cases it may well have been, we just have to wait and see if Obama can pull some of those nails out. But look on the bright side. No matter how dire your perception of it is, America somehow manages to pull through. -
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Rustydog:
Ask me if I am at all surprised that you find this as "right on target" for what should be done with America, stuart.
Are you at all surprised that I find...wait, why am I asking you if you're surprised about positions I don't actually hold, Rustydog?
hopefully people who understand, who have intelligence enough to understand the path that Progressives
Understand what? That liberals want America to succeed, and so want capitalism to be made sustainable --unlike the rightist idiots who just ran the country into the ground?
So you agree with "Globalization, a one government world and economy"? Do you stuart?
Of course not. Nobody does. Only the very farthest Trotskyite fringe of the Socialiste Internationale thinks like that. If you really believe that this is the goal of liberals, you're out of your mind, and looking for conspiracy theories to grab on to.
You believe that cap and trade should be used as a way to shut down all industry in the United States
Of course not, that would be insane. We have a policy disagreement, that's it. I think that cap and trade should be used to provide an economic incentive to discourage wanton pollution of God's earth, you think that it will unduly harm industry. It's not freaking apocalyptic, Rustydog, it's policy.
promoting the view that America is institutionally an oppressive nation
No, it just has huge problems with its institutions. Also, the system treats certain people worse than others, which runs counter to America's principles of providing individual opportunity, and rewarding individual merit, as well as equal process under the law.
It's the America-hating Beck crowd who are screaming about everything being "oppressive", Rustydog, not us.promoting the election of leftist political candidates throughout the United States
Guilty as charged. What's wrong with that? Just because your people promote the election of rightist candidates doesn't mean that it's some sort of secret genocidal initiative, so why freak out if liberals try to elect other liberals?
opposing virtually all post-9/11 national security measures enacted by U.S. government, particularly the Patriot Act
You people are such weirdos, Rustydog. On the one hand, the government is an evil, totalitarian force out to destroy the American way of life. On the other, it's a super-father figure to be trusted and obeyed for our own good.
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We oppose all "national security" measures that run counter to the Founders' understanding of the limits of Executive power, the rule of law, and the primacy of the Bill of Rights. That's it. No apologies for distrusting the state, and opposing the Patriot Act here, Rustydog.depicting American military actions as unjust, unwarranted, and immoral
...when those policies are, in fact, unjust, unwarranted and/or immoral. The American military isn't supposed to be worshiped like it's the Virgin Mary, or something, but that's not even the point. The actions that are immoral or unjust or unwarranted are the result of politicians' incompetence or malice, not necessarily the military's. We all know that, because we're not too busy genuflecting in front of the whatever uniform we see to figure that out.
promoting open borders, mass immigration, and a watering down of current immigration laws
No, no, no. We'd like to see the laws against employers enforced, and the hysteria against aliens brought back to rationality. We think that it's stupid for people to get worked up against "illegals" instead of the people who truly benefit from constant downward pressure on wages.
promoting a dramatic expansion of social welfare programs funded by ever-escalating taxes, paying out 60% or more of your wages in BIG GOVERNMENT TAXES TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO DO NOT WANT TO WORK FOR IT.
The people who we would maybe like to see taxed at Richard Nixon-era levels don't really get their income from "wages", Rustydog. If you really were concerned about people who "DO NOT WANT TO WORK FOR IT", you'd be for a 90% capital gains tax, wouldn't you? How about an inheritance tax for estates over $100,000,000 large, eh, Rustydog? Does Paris Hilton work hard enough for her money?
Once again you're completely focused on the wrong people. We aren't. The middle class is shrinking, Rustydog, and the money isn't going down, it's going up.promoting social welfare benefits and amnesty for illegal aliens
Like I said earlier, these are the positions of Black And Red Flag-waving anarcho-syndicalists George W Bush and John McCain.
defending the civil rights and liberties of suspected anti-American terrorists and their abetters
Because the same government you think is responsible for the coming totalitarian nightmare has given itself the right to imprison, torture and kill anybody it says it suspects of "terrorism" (however they wish to define it), Rustydog. The Founders would never have stood for it, and neither should or will their heirs (us).
financing the recruitment and training of future activist leaders of the political Left like ACORN
We could give two craps about the little, poor old decrepit ACORN, Rustydog. Not when there's $700 billion dollars in TARP tax-payer money still floating around. If you guys keep making a big deal out nothing like this, we're going to start suspecting the RNC's plan to challenge every Democratic ballot in 2012, don't you get it? Shhhh....Keep vewy quiet...
advocating America's unilateral disarmament and/or a steep reduction in its military spending
These are totally different things, so it would take a complete liar to claim that liberals are for the former, because we rationally support the latter.
"Military spending" doesn't equal strength, Rustydog. $600 hammers, $2000 toilets and 160,000 private military contractors in Iraq don't equal dominance, they equal a long slide into graft and corruption. We're for putting as much scrutiny on the military procurement process as you put on ACORN, so that we're not held hostage to graft. Once again, if you can't trust the government to fund transportation infrastructure without corruption, how can you then trust DOD contract and procurement like they're angels? Which one is probably has more graft? Which one has a huge budget?opposing the death penalty in all circumstances
Because we don't trust state bureaucracies in matters of life or death, unlike you, who are afraid of "death panels".
promoting socialized medicine in the United States
Because it's really not fair that every other rich country gets to have it, while we don't. Don't we deserve to have at least the same kind of high quality system that France has? Why do you hate America, Rustydog?
promoting the tenets of radical environmentalism, whose ultimate goal, as writer Michael Berliner has explained, is "not clean air and clean water, [but] rather ... the demolition of technological/industrial civilization"
Whoever this guy is, whatever he says has nothing to do with anything except your conspiracy theories.
We just want God's creation to be as good when we leave as when we came. We think that it's a crime to let the people who are poisoning our country's air and water get away with murder. We believe in American ingenuity and tenacity, so we want industry to be incentived to grow their way out of poisoning their fellow citizens, instead of racing to the competitive bottom of the pollution barrel, Rustydog.bringing American foreign policy under the control of the United Nations
No, just bringing American foreign policy actions in line with our professed ideals.
promoting racial and ethnic preferences in academia and the business world alike
No, trying to counter the harm caused by old money networks of favoritism and nepotism. Ever heard of Harvard's "Alumni Program", Rustydog? Ever heard of a family member who wasn't quite up to the job of executive, but was given it anyway?
There's plenty to criticize about affirmative action on principled and pragmatic grounds, but talking in stupid, divisive terms like "preferences" is asinine and counterproductive, as well as dishonest.promoting taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand
There is no such thing as "abortion on demand", given the three trimester rule of Roe v Wade, but even if there were, the law would still be the law. You don't like the fact that abortions are legal medical procedures? Then outlaw them, if you can. Do you guys never tire of putting the government between doctors and patients? Oh, wait...
advocating stricter gun-control measures
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advocating the legalization of marijuana
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And, the list goes on from there my friends. You may want to live in a stuart zechman / George Soros world, I do not.
You're making me terrified, Rustydog. What if I were to be identified with this scary-sounding person "George Soros"? Oh noes!
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It's a testament to how weak this all is that, at the end of it, you need to break out the "Goldberg is coming to get us!" Orwellian tropes, Rustydog.
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I just want to live in the world envisioned by the founders of our nation, Rustydog. I suspect that's what most of the country wants, too, which is why you might feel like you have to hop around shrieking "The monsters are coming! The monsters named Soros are coming! Run for your lives!" It's paranoid, do you understand that?I like the fact I own my own home, land and everything attached to it. I like the fact that if I choose I can go out hunting less than 100 yards from my front door.
I like the fact that I own my own home, too, Rustydog. I like the fact that I own my own business, this computer I'm typing on, my iPhone...I pretty much like private property altogether, Rustydog.
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I wish that I could go hunting like, but I guess I'll just have to settle for going on vacation to do that, since I wouldn't want to change the wonderful, beautiful New York City where I live.I do NOT want the powers that be in the United Nations to tell me what I can and cannot do.
Then your goals in life are fulfilled, Rustydog, because that only happens in rightist fantasy-world. If only I had such low expectations...
Give up these freedoms and you have given up everything so that George Soros and people like stuart zechman can tell you what you will and will not do.
I hope that you're keeping up with the donations to the ACLU and EFF, Rustydog, since they're the ones who are actually doing something about preserving your freedoms here at home.
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If you know anything about me at all Rustydog, it's that I'm not one to tell people what they can or cannot do (I don't know George Soros personally, so you'll have to ask him yourself). Ordering people around is the opposite of what liberalism is supposed to be about, and I think you know that, even if you don't want to admit it sometimes.Not my idea of America, not what I want for my country.
You know what, Rustydog?
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I think that you have a very confused idea of what country this is, and what America is all about. You have some ideas about our great nation that are totally contradictory, you know that? On the one hand, you're acting as if we're in some sort of movie with Will Smith, in which aliens are coming to take over the planet, and on the other, you just want to sit on your porch and pretend as if, when we do nothing about fixing the levies, the hurricanes won't come and kill your fellow Americans.
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Let's face it, Rustydog: you're scared to death of liberals.
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Why don't you ask yourself why it is that you are (and who it is that's making you) scared to freaking death of us?
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Why do you have to make up all of these fantasies about us coming to enslave the world, when we just disagree with you on policy and ideology?
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Why can't you think and argue with a clear head sometimes, Rustydog? Who wants you to be like that; who's all happy about you being scared and mad at us?
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Why don't you see us as your fellow Americans?
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Well done SZ...
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Understand what? That liberals want America to succeed, and so want capitalism to be made sustainable --unlike the rightist idiots who just ran the country into the ground?
How do you define “capitalism to be MADE sustainable, stuart? And again, we appreciate in our discourse to refrain from name calling, isn't that what you said before stuart? “rightist idiots who ran the country into the ground”? Perhaps you are referring to the recession that we are currently in, and the help not only from our Republicans which I also blame like you do who were in power over the past 8 years, but also fault the lack of oversight by the Congressional likes of Barney Frank who DID know that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were being run into the ground and approved of it. Frank who had the knowledge but kept it hid from sight, which started the entire fall out with the banks and mortgage houses. But, moving on.
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I'm glad that you are in agreement that “Globalization” of the world is not one of your beliefs, but please explain to me why it is one of the tenets of the Progressive movement. You simply talked in terms of you personally, but what do the vast majority of leftist / Progressives / Communitarians believe in stuart? How about John Podesta, have you read much on what he is attempting to do with the “Americans for Progress”, which Soros backs with his billions and where Van Jones has returned to work for? Perhaps you and other should read up more on this group of Progressives who are claiming to be part of your party, the Democrat Party. Part of the neo-liberals.
.I think that cap and trade should be used to provide an economic incentive to discourage wanton pollution of God's earth, you think that it will unduly harm industry.
This is great stuart to save the planet from the harm being done by industry, I am with you on that as well. But, do you fully understand what cap and trade will do? Can you tell us what the immediate and long term goals of cap and trade will do for most Americans? Let's leave big business out of it for now, just simply what it does to the average American. Didn't Obama himself say “yes, cap and trade will greatly increase the cost of electricity to all Americans”. GREATLY stuart. What does greatly mean? Is that 50 bucks? A hundred? A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS to the average Americans electric bill? Isn't that so stuart. I'm not even going to go into the job losses. Millions of workers being thrown out of their current jobs and be forced to retrain. For what stuart? Oh yes, the 2nd biggest buzz word for liberals, “Saving our Planet”. For “green jobs”. For a global warming effort which has been proved not to be happening in the world, or at least has proved that what most Progressives are touting to be just theory and not fact. Why do you HATE your fellow Americans so much stuart that you want their electric bill to go sky high and force them out of their homes?
.No, it just has huge problems with its institutions. Also, the system treats certain people worse than others, which runs counter to America's principles of providing individual opportunity, and rewarding individual merit, as well as equal process under the law.
Well I am glad that you did not deny that this is happening and is part of the progressive movement. How in the past 20 years has the “system treats certain people worse than others”. Where is your proof of that stuart? Is Barack Obama black stuart? Didn't a majority of Americans elect him President? Isn't it better to say that in the past there were cases of discrimination? We have passed laws to stop discrimination? Do we not have a branch of government, whose sole responsibility it is to stop discrimination, ever hear of the EEOC stuart? I agree that rewarding equal process under the law should be, and I believe is a tenet of any democracy. I believe that anyone who wants to work hard can and will get ahead if they make the right choices. I believe that hard work will get you anything you want in this country, perhaps even millions or billions of dollars.
You people are such weirdos, Rustydog. On the one hand, the government is an evil, totalitarian force out to destroy the American way of life. On the other, it's a super-father figure to be trusted and obeyed for our own good.
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We oppose all "national security" measures that run counter to the Founders' understanding of the limits of Executive power, the rule of law, and the primacy of the Bill of Rights. That's it. No apologies for distrusting the state, and opposing the Patriot Act here, Rustydog..
Wow, where to start on this one. I guess first off, in the immortal words of Ronald Reagan, “there you go again” stuart, calling people names. “You people are such weirdos”. Come on stuart, you are better than that.
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You say, “on the one hand, the government is an evil totalitarian force out to destroy the American way of life”. No, I do not believe that nor do most Republicans I know. We do have concern that certain groups, and fringe groups within groups are out to get elected so that they can bring their idea of what American government should look like. Rather than work within the confines of the Constitution they would like to change it continually. A “living document” I believe is how it is interpreted today. Meaning, “if we do not like this or that law or right given to the people we will just change it. Or they use things like the current “Czar” method of appointing “advisors” to the President to circumvent the legislatures right to oversee and confirm these individuals. But, “totalitarian force” stuart? No that is most definitely a confusion on your part and what most Progressives would simply like to see happen within the government structure. Implement all of the regulations and environmental controls on individuals or business so that it benefits the “collective” or “community” rather than the individual. Isn't that right stuart?
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Now, National Security. Yes there are limits on what the Executive can and should do. Those powers are indeed control under the constitution. We'll use the Patriot Act as an example. Is it not a temporary “act”, stuart? Does it not have clearly defined sun setting provisions? Yes, the President and Congress can vote to extend it, but what exactly is your fear stuart? What are you afraid of that the government might find out about you listening in on one of your phone calls?
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Do you have something to hide stuart? The recent capture and now holding of terrorists in NYC and Colorado, do you believe that the Patriot Act should never have been in place in order for the FBI to have found out about their plot to kill hundreds, perhaps thousands of Americans? Is it not the number one job of our Federal Government to keep us all safe, stuart? I guess you believe in a system of government that is Anarchist, isn't that right stuart?
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You want no laws like the Patriot Act to your happy little world at all, but in these times that is what is keeping us all safe stuart. And you also confuse me, because in the next breath you want very strict regulations of business and industry. Your beliefs simply contradict themselves stuart, don't you see that?
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Well I could go on and on about all of this stuart. But, I do appreciate that you will take the time to read this. I appreciate the opportunity to discuss this with you and also point out the areas which you also do not fully understand. To point out why folks like me are concerned about the direction that your Progressive Party, your Communitarians are attempting to take this country. I do thank you for that stuart.
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Kate Pickert:
Baucus decided it was time to step in. “We're gonna hear a lot of this from a certain side and I just think it's important to clear the air a little bit... The fact is today, you can't keep what you like in many cases without passing a new law…Employers are changing plans all the time...That is the current status quo.” But Baucus said with his bill, “people are more likely to like what they have and if they want to move, they can more easily move.”
Are those claims true or false? What part of that set of statements is true (if any), and what part of if is false (if any)?
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For example, HR 3200 put forward by the House doesn't allow for folks covered by their employer bought insurance to participate in any proposed exchanges, so in that sense, Baucus' statement "if they want to move, they can more easily move" could be false --if the markups in question are similar to HR 3200.
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Another would be Baucus saying that "today, you can't keep what you like in many cases without passing a new law". I believe that's most likely true, but I don't know if my belief in Baucus' claim is accurate or not. Is it?
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IMHO, the efforts by the GOP to show how Obama's promises will be broken are "fair game" --- Obama grossly simplified and exaggerated the advantages of his health care proposals during (and subsequent to) the campaign, and there is nothing wrong with making him pay a political price for it, insofar as Obama already reaped the political benefit of those promises.
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Kate, thanks for update (ive-blogging still ruled out [last post]?). But why, why, why are they pursuing the penalty? (turning serious here, sorry) IRS!? That's NOT going to attract swing voters in '10 (or any, but I digress). KT pointed out need for mandate – Maine's failure to reign in costs with Dirigo since not mandatory. We can do this without having to sic the IRS on common folks (and Jay, sorry but you know where I'm going…): set up a network similar to (not part of) SSI...not IRS. You're already in, pay in per income, and pick your policy. (KP, here's a “doctoral thesis” for JNS yesterday for solemn amusement).... http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/21/baucus%e2%80%99-chameleon-bill/ …in response to her excellent writings / questions…and sorry again, Jay and KT). Thanks!
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I'm with Zechman (as usual): Care to suss out the truth, Kate? Or is the B.S. political horserace he-said/he-lied all you write about, like most national establishment "reporters," these days?
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appropos of nothing, but Cantwell is an idiot...
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Elmendorf made it clear that home-based long term care will cost the federal government more than nursing home care, because while the per person costs will be reduced, the number of people who will apply for home based care will increase substantially. (A lot more people are eligibie for nursing home care than currently receive it -- instead, families wind up bearing the burden of providing the care. By switching to a "community based care" model, those families will apply for, and recieve, those benefits.)
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"President Barack Obama walked into the Oval Office with a veritable halo over his head. In the eyes of his backers, he could say or do no wrong because he had evidently descended directly from heaven to return celestial order to our fallen world. Oprah declared his tongue to be "dipped in the unvarnished truth." Newsweek editor Evan Thomas averred that Obama "stands above the country and above the world as a sort of a God."
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You can read it all here:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/30/obama-health-care-reform-opinions-columnists-public-option-medicare.html
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Obama's Top Five Health Care Lies
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Lie One: No one will be compelled to buy coverage.
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Lie Two: No new taxes on employer benefits.
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Lie Three: Government can control rising health care costs better than the private sector.
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Lie Four: A public plan won't be a Trojan horse for a single-payer monopoly.
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The thing that is so laughable about wingnuts* is that they never interrupt their delusional fantasies to ask the most simple of questions: Why? Why would X do what I accuse him or her of?
The rest of us look to see whether a person or entity has a motive to act in a certain way, because we understand that human behavior is fairly predictable. But wingnuts simply accuse their political opponents of ANYTHING regardless of how improbable, given their opponents' incentives.
Take Soros. I have no interest in delving into a point by point rebuttal of Rusty's paranoid rantings. But, on their face, his attacks are preposterous.
George Soros has made billions and billions of dollars working within the existing political and economic system. Soros is a living embodiment of someone who has succeeded in pursuing the American Dream. Along with Warren Buffett, it would not be unreasonable to describe Soros as one of the greatest pure capitalists in the history of the world. Certainly one the greatest investors.
But wingnuts do not hesitate to accuse Soros of essentially conspiring to destroy the very system that has made him one of the wealthiest people on the planet.* Why? Why would Soros do that?
Same with Obama. Politicians work hard to get elected because they want simple things: money, power, and a legacy of success. What possible motivation could Obama have to hand over the reins of power to a UN government? It isn't going to make him wealthier, more powerful, or more popular.
* In fairness, some Republicans are not delusional and simply see a pragmatic benefit to demonizing a reliable Democratic supporter. My comments are directed towards the nutjobs who actually believe the lunatic theories.
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