Awwww-kward

Amy Sullivan says she's a liberal.
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She's not, really, she tends toward centrism like the rest of the journos, but that's what she says.
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She is our liberal.
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It's, like, Rick Stengels's joke, or something.
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Instead of Digby, we get Amy Sullivan.

stuartzechman

"Amy Sullivan says she's a liberal.She's not, really, she tends toward centrism like the rest of the journos, but that's what she says."

I believe this says more about your position in the liberal-centrist-conservative spectrum than Amy's

freeinpa:
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I believe this says more about your position
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Believe me when I say that, no insult intended, I don't think you really understand what the liberal position is, nor where the ends of the spectrum actually exist.
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Much of this isn't your fault, because the MSM (whom we both find to be grossly flawed) has sought first to limit the sphere of legitimate debate starting on the left, primarily because centrists had such a thorough coup in the Democratic Party with the ascendancy of Clinton I.
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As you can see, they're currently starting to treat the populist right the way they did in the 1970's all the way up until the mid-1980's, as freaks and lunatics whose mere presence defines the end of legitimate discussion.
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All of this to say that national perceptions of the American political spectrum has been warped, distorted and manipulated by an unpopular clique of ideological centrists allied with the genuinely popular rightists over the past two decades or so, which is why you have the fun-house mirror view of the political spectrum.
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Thanks so much in advance for not replying with some nonsensical, unproductive, bitter name-calling, freeinpa!

stuartzechman

Contrary to your request I could not let your condescending post go unresponded. My knowledge of liberals is as deep as your understanding of conservatives. You lump them all as loons and retards. Then you write some long-winded pompous diatribe to describe them as such. Check the the polls the Obama, Dems and liberals are on a downward slide. The only ones that are denial of that are the liberals who once again believe they are smarter and know better than everybody.

Oh freeinpa:
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This is just "Daily Affirmation With Stuart Smalley." I mean with Daily Affirmation with stuart zechman.
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Geeze Louise, I keep getting them mixed up!!

freeinpa:
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sigh...

ME: no insult intended

YOU: your condescending post

ME: they're currently starting to treat the populist right...as freaks and lunatics

YOU: You lump them all as loons and retards.

ME: national perceptions of the American political spectrum has been warped, distorted and manipulated by an unpopular clique of ideological centrists allied with the genuinely popular rightists

YOU: you write some long-winded pompous diatribe to describe them as such

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YOU: the liberals who once again believe they are smarter and know better than everybody

Again, no insult intended (my wife's first language is Slovak):
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Is English your first language, freeinpa? Are you genuinely having trouble understanding what I mean by what I say using these words?
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Or does the communication problem we're experiencing here exist because you filter out anything liberals say that doesn't fit the political objective of calling us elitists (or whatever caricatures you think might stick)?
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Are you really here for an honest discussion and debate, freeinpa, and are simply confused, or are you just endlessly trying to insult and score (in your mind) political points?
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Please: can you make clear this problem I am having to understand you, freeinpa?

stuartzechma

Your parsing of words is par excellance but does not change the substance

Meddling? Where on Earth does it say that the president can't endorse in a local election? Happens all the time.

Heck, remember back in 2000 when the governor of Florida meddled in a presidential election? Now THAT was worth getting worked up over!

destor23

Endorsing is a far cry from telling one not to run.

Still whining about the 2000 election. You folks are worse than the birther's.

" You folks are worse than the birther's."
Can we then assume then that you at least agree that the birthers are a bunch of idiots still living in the 60s, and can't come to terms with the concept that a black man is their president, hence they "want their country back". if we can agree on this, I'll take the "worse" title.

walkingfunny

Still can't get through one discussion without throwing down the race card.

I have written here for weeks and George Will threw out on TV yesterday; Racism is the Liberals McCarthyism.

Well then, since George Will said it, it must be true, so I accept your conclusion. Will you also acknowledge the main point of me post that derived mostly from yours; birther's are small minded idiots (bad), and we liberals are worse. Or are the "straws" enough to quieten your already dull conscience?

walkingfunny

Please let me know what source is acceptable to you since you appear to be the ultimate arbiter of all that is correct.

The only thing dulling me is the tedious, typical arguments that belittle everyone who disagrees with their opinion.

Ask the liberal mothership for more pages for your oh so limited playbook.

We take our cue from the liberal posters. Just take a look at some of the "rational" rants from your compatriots on the left. This is typical liberal protocol: attack, degrade and name call then feign disgust when it is reciprocated.

Whinging, "But Ma, he's doing it too..." is not a valid excuse for your behavior, freeper. Neither is a projection of your faults on others.
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You'd think that as part of the uber-personal-responsibility crowd, you'd at least own your own behavior.

grape_crush

So you agree that the tactics of liberals are idiotic.

I agree that some people's tactics - yours, for example, freeper - tend towards idiocy regardless of their ideological leaning.
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Do you agree that blaming other people for your behavior is a violation of the prinicple of personal responsibility?
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Oh, and thanks for proving Derek's larger point about attacking character instead of contributing to a meaningful discussion.

Derek and grape:

Thank you, Time, for putting Glenn Beck on your cover...instead of just reading your magazine while using the john, I can wipe myself afterwards with his face...

Maybe they should do a whole issue on white trash
Rush
When is this piece of white trash going to get his cover?

These are just a couple of your "intellectual arguments" I am sure I can find more but you both are firm believers of "Do as I say not as I do"

These are just a couple of your "intellectual arguments"
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(laughing)
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That's not an argument, freeper...an argument would be me saying that everyone should use the Beck cover of Time to wipe with....and, unless you actually are Glenn Beck, it's not a personal attack against you...so your point above is invalid.
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Is what I wrote silly and possibly offensive? Maybe, to some. You still haven't refuted Derek's original point but erecting this strawman.
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Again, do you agree that blaming other people for your behavior is a violation of the prinicple of personal responsibility? Or is this a case of 'do as I say and not as I do'?

Well because Obama claims he knows nothing about it. He hasn't followed it. We have bigger problems. But he can go on 5 news shows and say a tax is not a tax because he says so. Or he knew about Kanye West at the music awards and Derek Jeter breaking Gehrig's record but not ACORN.

Joe Wilson where are you when we need you?

I guess my real question back to Amy...
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Perhaps it's because they're part of the roughly two-thirds of the population that aren't soaking their brains with right-whinge agitprop.

Dee:
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To which post are you referring?
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Can you link, please?

[this one]
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I'm also curious why Amy 'never expected to read a story' like that...

Dee:
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Isn't the problem with her post not "racial insensitivity", but that her expectations reveal poorly thought out generalizations about people?

You are absolutely correct. It should all be about equal opportunity not equal outcome. Race, gender and income should be modifiers to ability not the overriding factor.