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Storm Clouds Gather For Democrats

Charlie Cook, who is among the most respected and tested of Washington's electoral handicappers, sent out an update today, warning of bad news on the 2010 horizon for President Obama and his Democratic allies.

[T]he situation this summer has slipped completely out of control for President Obama and Congressional Democrats. Today, The Cook Political Report's Congressional election model, based on individual races, is pointing toward a net Democratic loss of between six and 12 seats, but our sense, factoring in macro-political dynamics is that this is far too low.

Many veteran Congressional election watchers, including Democratic ones, report an eerie sense of déjà vu, with a consensus forming that the chances of Democratic losses going higher than 20 seats is just as good as the chances of Democratic losses going lower than 20 seats. A new Gallup poll that shows Congress' job disapproval at 70 percent among independents should provide little solace to Democrats. In the same poll, Congressional approval among independents is at 22 percent, with 31 percent approving overall, and 62 percent disapproving.

Such prognostication is, by definition, subject to change. But Cook is also not a railbird who spooks easily. For the full memo, click here.

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  • 1

    SIgh.
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    Meanwhile, in reality:
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    DEMOCRATIC PARTY:
    Approval: 45
    Disapproval: 48
    Don't know: 7
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    REPUBLICAN PARTY:
    Approval: 17
    Disapproval: 74
    Don't know: 9

    • 1.1

      Oh, and:
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      CONGRESSIONAL DEMS:
      Approval: 43
      Disapproval: 51
      Don;t know: 6
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      CONGRESSIONAL GOPS:
      Approval: 10
      Disapproval: 76
      Don't know: 14
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      I like how whenever a journalist needs to write a "Dems are gonna lose" article, they refer to Congressional approval ratings that are NOT broken down by party.
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      If storm clouds are gathering for Dems, it must be raining cats and dogs in GOPland.

  • 2

    Again you don't know what you are talking about. I saw Cook on TV yesterday talking about this. He said that up to twenty dems could lose their seats in the House. However, he said that the majority of those who may lose seats would be BLUE DOGS.
    This is excellent news. Let's say you are a Blue Dog that rode Obama's coattails to victory last November, does Obama's current weakness scare you? It should. Now historically, huge legislative victories boost a president's approval rating, and those of his party (i.e. everyone likes a winner).
    Going forward, if you are Blue Dog, do you continue to tea-bag the legislative process and serve the insurance industry or do you work to pass a good bill? All the insurance industry bribes in the world won't stem an election day massacre.
    So we either have Blue Dogs acting in the best interest of Democrats, knowing they have the most to lose, or we don't and they get shown the door. Either way it a win for the Democratic Party brand.

    • 2.1

      excellent point...
      that's why House progressives need to stick to their guns, and tell the Blue Dogs that they can take their chances with effective health care reform, or face certain defeat if reform doesn't happen.
      And its why progressives should make it clear that they will fund "green" candidates to run against Blue Dogs in November 2010, virtually guaranteeing their losing...

    • 2.2

      One caveat.
      I suppose the quid pro quo could already be in effect. Say Blue Dogs know that they are going to lose their jobs if they continue to torpedo the Democratic agenda, but they have been promised million dollar lobbyist jobs (after their mandatory year of paid-vacation of course) if they can pull it off. I could see some of the evilest Blue Dogs playing this game.
      Regardless, the real Democratic playbook stays the same, get enough House Dems together to pass a good bill by making the public option a litmus test and keep money away from the DCCC and other Blue Dog enablers by donating to individual good Dems and clearinghouses like Actblue.

    • 2.3

      "but they have been promised million dollar lobbyist jobs"
      .
      I call that "Pulling a Tauzin"
      .
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tauzin

    • 2.4

      Paul: Thanks for reminding the troops in an earlier thread about Thursdays. Sure makes weeding through the comments easier...
      .
      Alas, we still have to deal with MS' "bad for the dems" doom and gloom. Forgive me for being thick, but how, exactly, are "teh crazies" of August turning moderate voters away from the Dems?

    • 2.5

      Here is video of Cook saying it is the fake Dems that will lose their seats first.
      http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/charlie-cook-arguably-people-they-would-lo
      This is a good thing for anyone who wants a real Democratic agenda.

  • 3

    OK - people, place your bets - next August, before the midterms, what will be the August Hysteria? Who would have ever guessed "Death Panels" for this August OR POTUS is an illegal alien who should be picked up by ICE and deported?

    Come on, the more ridiculous, the more likely Sarah Palin is to actually say it and Fox News and Republicans are likely to believe it.

    Conventional Pundit Wisdom has been wrong so many times, I don't care what Charlie says will happen. Time will tell. Something crazy will probably happen between now and then and we have no idea how that will effect things. Republicans are just proving themselves to be complete liars willing to do and say anything.

  • 4

    On the day that news breaks of Tom Ridge's admission that the terror alerts were politically manipulated, what would we expect from TIME magazine but a determined misreading of recent polls? "It's excellent news for John McCain!"

    • 4.1

      No kidding, you have Ambinder over at the Atlantic saying him and his buddies played dumb about the blatant politicization of DHS to game the election because they reflexively wanted to stick it to the hippies.
      This simple-minded Scherer post shows that the traditional media would still rather stick it to the hippies as opposed to honestly evaluating a situation.

    • 4.2

      Come on, Elvis. The villagers don't like to harp on old news.. Now let's sit back and wait for the next Palin post.

  • 5

    momentomaury,

    It is hard to get worked up over the numbers if you're a democrat. It's even harder if you're a liberal democrat. I'm not worried about it myself. Losing the blue dogs isn't going to faze me. The democrats have put up big wins for the last two elections. It's only natural that there are going to be some losses after two wave elections. Should we really expect anything else?
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    Even if Obama's numbers were in the 60's, I'd still expect a return to a more natural equilibrium. Some of the red states that flirted with the blue dogs in 2008 should be expected to return to the fold. It will be pretty interesting to see what happens next year, but even losses aren't going to cause me to lose any sleep.
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    The republican party is still in meltdown mode and their crazies are on center stage. If the inmates are still running the asylum next August and the candidates are of the wingnut variety, I'd say it was more of a dying gasp than a comeback.

    • 5.1

      I just think there's a huge misreading of the data as journalists go off trusting their 'guts' and thew anecdotal evidence from Town Halls. None of the polling, either by issue or by party, indicates that the country is moving back to the right, quite the opposite effect seems to be happening.
      .
      I also think there's an assumption in punditland that if someone doesn't like the Dem that's representing them, they'll vote GOP next time. I think its almost as likely that they'll vote for a better Dem in the primaries. More Dems and fewer incumbents is not a bad scenario, in my opinion.

  • 6

    Count me among those who notes that The Dem house majority is large enough that Quality matters.

    • 6.1

      Amen. It's hard enough fighting the republicans let alone fighting the blue dogs. I'd rather see a smaller more united democratic party than a larger one. Losing Harry Reid wouldn't cause me any grief either. I think I'm not the only democrat who isn't going to care much either way.

  • 7

    Getting rid of the Bluedogs seems like a win-win to me. There is no difference between them and a conservative, and the party no longer needs to appease them.
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    Good riddance.

  • 8

    Let us not forget as well that the moment he's examining is when HCR is in a state of flux and under relentless attack. Do we honestly think that 6 months after a bill passes that the 'tea leaves' are going to look exactly the same?

  • 9

    I'd suggest MS look at fivethirtyeight.com for real-world handicapping, not fake inside-the-belt punditry. Nate Silver has a Dem. HC update today.

    ...and sacred, welcome back. With lots of rants this week, pirate still not posting, and me mostly posting to crickets (or getting comment deleted), your humor was missed.

    • 9.1

      Thanks deconstructiva. I promised my wife I'd try to get the outside landscaping finished before fall and the more that I finished, the more she wanted redone. I've been working my butt off outside and trying to get the library finished up. I have to admit that it's looking great and I'd keep on doing it even without the prodding. A serious case of food poisoning laid me up for a couple of days and threw me way off schedule.

    • 9.2

      I haven't been around much lately so I didn't know pirate wench wasn't posting either. Tell me she didn't quit. Swampland isn't Swampland without her.

    • 9.3

      Sorry to hear about the food poisoning. Can this be worked to your advantage, such as installing a restaurant-sized walk-in cooler, ultimate gas grill w/ custom-made exhaust hood, and other power cooking toys of your choice to guarantee food safety and thus let your wife sleep soundly at night?

      As for pirate, I hope she's reading and will come back. Exiled asked about her too. She mentioned taking a break (c. #22.1)… http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/08/11/attempting-the-no-flop-flip/

    • 9.4

      I be readin' once in awhile, an' tryin' t' work up th' enthusiasm fer postin - thank ye, deconstructiva an' sacred, bu' th' self-inflicted mortal stupidity wound our nation be continuin' t' cut, 'long wi' th' steady supply o' fetid sh*t poured into it by th' Republican mouthpieces, 'long wi' th' rubbin' it in pr'vided by th' MSM t' ensure th' spread o' th' cancer be all seemin' t' me t' be just too depressin' t' be o'ercome.
      .
      I current' be considerin' convenin' a one-woman "death panel" - stayin' on some sort o' life support 'til me "birthday" (19 September!), then goin' out wi' a bang o' pirate invective, copious amounts o' rum, th' singin' o' a few choice pirate shanties, a wee bit o' maudlin reverie o' th' time when we were no' such'n ignorant band o' mobby rabid sheep, an' then off t' long dark night o' Davey Jones' locker wi' th' pirate wench.
      .
      Short o' some sort o' testicular-growin' miracle by th' Democratic Party - includin' th' President - tha' be seemin' t' be a better course t' steer than continuin' t' be wound up, horrified an' frustrated by stayin' tuned in t' th' impendin' storm o' disaster tha' be brewin' whilst our "leaders" be buryin' their heads in th' bung hole, chowin' down a' th' trough o' iniquity.
      .
      An, b'sides, I be hatin' t' be havin' t' deal wi' this troglodyte-designed technical interface, t' boot!
      .
      yarr.

    • 9.5

      pirate wench: Good to see you again. I can't argue with the reasons for your frustrations, but may I suggest you take the approach that deconstructiva and I have apparently taken?
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      We're careening wildly on the rollercoaster to oblivion so why not just take potshots and enjoy the thrill ride right up until the point where the cart crashes through the railing and the ground rushes up to claim us all?
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      Everything does seem to be out of control. Everything does have the "this doesn't make any sense at all" feel to it, so why not hoot and holler until the ride is over and we either get up and walk away amazed that we're still here or wake in intensive care wondering why everyone looks so concerned when we smile and ask nonsensical questions?

      Things will either sort themselves out or else they won't. Plus, there's always the "1000 Words" to look forward to. Welcome back and best wishes regarding your upcoming birthday.

  • 10

    This is good news for John McCain.

  • 11

    /sigh

    The Democrats currently have a 78-seat margin in the House of Representatives. That means they could lose a net of 38 seats (half of 78, less one) and still control a majority of the chamber.

    Now, this is no reason for Dems to relax, but no one should be pulling a Chicken Little at this point.

  • 12

    I have a lot of respect for the difficulty of doing what Charlie Cook does, but it's also not like he hasn't been wrong before. Scherer is only highlighting him right now because he, like the rest of the GOP, thinks they smell blood in the water and think they are kicking Democrats when their down. Of course, this is not going to be how the election plays out. Charlie is making a lot of assumptions based on conventional wisdom, which boils down to nothing more than past is prologue. Of course, everyone remembers how 2008 didn't end up the way they predicted in 2007 now did it? We do remember that every time a pundit made a prediction they were wrong but in politics pundits don't ever pay a price for being wrong.
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    Charlie is basing his projection on criteria that he cannot guarantee will remain the same. Frankly, some of it is based on things that aren't even real.. What we do know is that the political debate will not remain stagnate. And we are entering an era unlike one we've ever seen before. He talks about what voters will do in off year elections, giving more credibility to the party out of power, who have basically transformed into a caricature of crazy. We don't even know how the latest story about the CIA outsourcing death squads to black water is going to play out let alone Tom Ridge's book revealing the manipulation of terror alerts for political gain.
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    Any Democrat who listens to this crap at this stage is nuts. This is about trying to scare Democrats who are slowly coming to their senses and finding their feet. The goal is to use fear to keep Democrats paralyzed, but Howard Dean has it right when he says this moment will pass and so will health care. The approval numbers will go back up and all will be right with the world.
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    Charlie Cook assumes that the GOP won't pay any price for their transformation into nihilists, but he's in for a rude awakening, he like the rest of the media is confusing the ginned up, corporate sponsored town hall faux outrage as proof of the passion on the right, despite polling that clearly shows that the GOP is not benefitting from any of this. Frankly, what would make you think that brithers actually vote, these fringe elements showing up in the media are not those who vote they are those who yell. They are the gun toting survivalist in the bunkers, afraid of government, screaming don't tread on me from ruby ridge, they don't want government tracking them so they don't register.

  • 13

    I think the only thing for Obama to do now this long and deep 8 months into his presidency, is to resign his governorship so as to avoid being a lame duck. Which of course would be business as usual for a skinny Hollywood, telepromter, making up stuff type like him.

    He could hold a press conference in front of a lake with squawking ducks, use lots of exclamation points and have Bo as the only attendee.

    If I put this up on my twitter page will you write a blog post about it Michael? If not, why not?

  • 14

    OMGROTFLMAO-TWEET-TWEET! Just as SUSA releases a new poll showing that if you word the question about a public option the same way the NBC/WSJ poll worded it in June, then 77% of the population still supports the public option. Dark storm clouds for Dems? Yes, if they persist in thwarting the overwhelming majority of the nation on health care reform.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/20/new-poll-77-percent-suppo_n_264375.html

  • 15

    The Dems lost seats in 1966, almost certainly as a result of the landmark civil rights legislation that LBJ rammed through. Who among us today would want to have won the seats, rather than to have passed the laws, and changed the country for all time?

    It's not about whether you lose seats, but whether you have anything to show for the seats you lose.

    • 15.1

      kth,

      Thanks for reminding us that being right and doing what's right often comes at a price. I think something we have to keep in mind also is that if the birthers or teabaggers pull some really stupid stunt near the election that all the predictions can go right out the window. Backlash is often based on the last event or bit of news before an election.

  • 16

    Amazingly, as I clicked on the article referenced in the post that talks about Charlie Cook being the best, I ended up on Pg 2 of a Dana Milbank article written a week or so before Election 2006(why Pg 2 I wondered) ...clicking to Pg 1, I read this gem of a forecast from Mr Cook
    " What fate does the seer see for Sen. George Allen (R-Va.)?

    "He wins ugly, but he wins," Cook divines."

    AH that's why maybe Mr Scherer didnt link to Pg 1 of the article.

  • 17

    PLEASE SUPPORT OUR GREAT PRESIDENT GENIUS OBAMA, BY RE-ELECTING YOUR LOCAL DESPERCRAP.

    Love,

    Tokyo Al Franken

  • 18

    Obama is holding steady at 47 percent, and should be well situated by November of 2010 to lead his party into the 1994 deja douche ditch only the Iranian media could hate.

    Of course, if calling Republican taxpayers un-American starts wowing voters, and insuring illegal aliens, and releasing terrorists, and funding ACORN Sacramento, and firing IG's, and losing Iraq, and taking money under the table from PayPal PLO?

    Well then all bets are off.

    CLIXONS ACCOMPLISHED.

  • 19

    I like when the POTUS scares people about health care and evil Republicans.

    That makes many people support him.

  • 20

    Sanford edges ahead of Hillary, Kerry, any sober Kennedy or cloned Nixon in 2012 polling, Obama officially off charts and now suspected by majority of Yellow Dogs of being Kenyan after all, DNC to hold raffle for Vermont to pay off Sacramento ACORN legal bills, North Korean hooker rescuers, Chicago.

    http://twitter.com/HULAgate

  • 21

    DNC plot to kill one-sixth of U.S. economy crashes on takeoff, Howard Scream relegated to Under Secretary to Haiti, Obama plans golf trip.

    http://twitter.com/HULAgate

  • 22

    Obama can fix this by shoving socialized medicine down the AARP's craw whether they like cafeteria euthanasia or not.

    KEEP KEVORKIAN ALIVE!

  • 23

    Did Charlie Cook also predict the next Kentucky Derby winner? Sorry, Charlie, you're a good man, but a week is a long time in politics, and you are gambling a year ahead. This is just reading the tea-leaves when there's nothing better to do.

  • 24

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  • 25

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