Health Care Wisdom
Not often do you see David Brooks and Paul Krugman in substantive agreement on anything, but they are today--on the need to contain health care costs and the gravity of the President's effort to confront this problem head on. The immediate challenge is Medicare reform: the fee-for-service system, where doctors are paid by the procedures--tests and surgeries--they perform, rather than by the patients they treat (as they are at excellent, comprehensive health care facilities like the Mayo Clinic).
I'd guess the chances of actual, real world success of this legislation--in terms of better care and better budget numbers--are very much dependent on this aspect of the legislation. In fact, the sooner we have a universal system, for all Americans, which ends the ghettoization of the elderly and poor into Medicare and Medicaid, the better chance we have for health care efficiency and quality. But there are three interest groups standing in the way of that--the first, and most important, are Republicans who scream about rationing. The President raised this issue early on: should his grandmother, dying of cancer, been given a hip operation in the last months of her life? Obviously, we're going to have to start making those sorts of decisions (at least, decisions about who should pay for the hip operation, and how much, if the patient and her family deem it necessary). Some will call that rationing; others might call it sanity.
In the midst of his usual, toxic blather about Barack Obama today, Charles Krauthammer raises a valid and inconvenient point for Democrats about another interest group:
When a neurosurgeon pays $200,000 a year for malpractice insurance before he even turns on the light in his office or hires his first nurse, who do you think pays? Patients, in higher doctor fees to cover the insurance.
And with jackpot justice that awards one claimant zillions while others get nothing -- and one-third of everything goes to the lawyers -- where do you think that money comes from? The insurance companies, which then pass it on to you in higher premiums.
But the greatest waste is the hidden cost of defensive medicine: tests and procedures that doctors order for no good reason other than to protect themselves from lawsuits. Every doctor knows, as I did when I practiced years ago, how much unnecessary medical cost is incurred with an eye not on medicine but on the law.
The third group, also inconvenient for Democrats, are those labor unions who negotiated gold-plated health care plans for their members and are utterly opposed to taxing those benefits above a certain level--$15,000 per year would be a good number. This is certainly understandable, but it is unsustainable in the long term. It places too great a burden on American companies trying to compete with corporations from other countries where the government pays for health care. It also blocks the possibility of a comprehensive reform of the entire system, like the one proposed in the Wyden-Bennet bill (yes, that again), where all Americans might eventually choose from the same array of options. And, in the short term, the money is needed to fund the Obama package.
The problem with trying to pass the sort of reform that Obama is attempting is that all these interest groups have to be challenged simultaneously--the doctors, lawyers, insurers, pharma and labor--and that is a near-impossible task in a democracy as mature and invested as ours. That is why the process seems so hairy and chaotic right now. It will take enormous skill to bring home a bill worth having. But as the President said on Wednesday, we've reached the point where the status quo is not an option.
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So is Krauthammer right? I've heard conflicting claims about the significance of malpractice fees in health costs. (Let's just say that if Krauthammer said the sky was blue, I'd look out my window to check...)
btw, your Krugman link is broken.
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You know what is an inconvenient point ?
According to TIME magazine's Karen Tumulty BHO already offered up curbing malpractice awards.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1895706,00.htmlThat meant the bill could pass with a simple majority of 51 votes, eliminating the need for any GOP support. Where, they demanded, was the bipartisanship the President had promised? So, right there in the Cabinet Room, the President put a proposal on the table, according to two people who were present. Obama said he was willing to curb malpractice awards, a move long sought by Republicans that is certain to bring strong opposition from the trial lawyers who fund the Democratic Party.
What, he wanted to know, did the Republicans have to offer in return?
Nothing, it turned out. Republicans were unprepared to make any concessions, if they had any to make.
But please, continue with relying of Krauthammer for your "inconvenient points"
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Joe, any word if earlier efforts to allow Medicare to deal / negotiate directly with drug cos. has passed yet? Or is it dead or in committee limbo? I asked Karen earlier but she didn't answer (probably was too busy fighting off rants from others?). Thanks.
I can't speak for others (but others can and do!) but I think pirate brought this up before: a delish temptation to run too many tests, pop too many pills, etc. Don't too many procedures run heath risks? And haven't many celebrities – and real folks – abused legal drugs to their grave? A flat rate system instead of cost plus would work, thx for bringing this up.
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1) "When a neurosurgeon pays $200,000 a year for malpractice insurance before he even turns on the light in his office or hires his first nurse, who do you think pays? Patients, in higher doctor fees to cover the insurance.
2) And with jackpot justice that awards one claimant zillions while others get nothing -- and one-third of everything goes to the lawyers -- where do you think that money comes from? The insurance companies, which then pass it on to you in higher premiums."
Hint: Besides the fact that Krauthammer's standard RW bellyaching about "jackpot justice" is nonsense (in $ terms malpractice settlements represent a drop in the ocean), he's counting the same premium costs twice: insurance companies don't charge heath policy holders for malpractice claims (2), they charge doctors, as he says in (1).
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Krauthammer's standard RW bellyaching about "jackpot justice" is nonsense.
Already resonded to in some states who have set caps on malpractice award claims...and neurosurgery is at the high end of malpractice premiums paid.
..he's counting the same premium costs twice.
If the malpractice insurance and health insurance in question is provided by the same company then it's all coming from the same pot; Krauthammer's statement would probably be true, but only under that condition.
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In addition to the ridiculous claims about malpractice, doctors with spotless records watched their malpractice insurance double in a couple of years, why?
It had nothing to do with the paying for "jackpot justice", and everything to do with the insurance companies playing on Wall Street. When the dot.com bubble popped, doctors saw their malpractice premiums skyrocket. This had nothing to do with an increase of malpractice claims.
Furthermore, most want to limit malpractice claims to $50,000 in non-economic damages. Ask any man, if the doctor accidently cuts off your penis, you would only be entitled to $50,000? After all, you have not lost your capacity to earn income (unless you are Ron Jeremy).
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Just curious, Joe. What exactly are those "gold-plated" health care plans the union has? How do they differ from your own plan (assuming you have one)? How do they differ from, say, a Kaiser Health Plan? How do they differ from the plans offered to members of the US Senate?
I'm serious, Joe. I'm calling BS on you.
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James--I'm doing some research into the nature of the union plans. Our plan at Time-Warner is pretty good, although, as with most others, premiums and co-pays are rising. But to answer your question, I think people in my income range absolutely should pay taxes on health benefits--and, more important, we need to find a way to lift the health care burden off American companies, large and small.
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Thanks for responding, Joe. I'll look forward to your comparative analysis between those union "gold-plated" plans and your own coverage, along with a Kaiser Health Plan and a Medicaid plan.
Note I didn't ask your opinion about whether your health coverage should be taxed. That is a red herring. I specifically called out your terminology about union "gold-plated" plans. What makes a union health plan, in your opinion, so outrageously excessive? Specifically?
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James, JK has a Pavlovian reaction to unions. Teachers Unions being an obvious example.
Odd as I assume he is a member. I just write it off to the old "New Democrat" thought that some are still stuck in.
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I know he is a union-hater, PNNTO, which is his right. And as a columnist, I guess he has the right to mindlessly rail, Krauthammer-like, against working men and women who are members of a union and their "gold-plated" health plans, whatever that rightwing think-tank focus-group-tested piece of propaganda means. But as a BLOGGER, he deserves to be called out to explain. Maybe he thinks that being covered for eyeglasses constitutes "gold-platedness." However, Kaiser Health Plan covers eyeglasses and so does Medicaid, in California, at least for children.
So what is this "gold-plated" coverage, Joe?
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James you are correct to see exactly what Joe has determined is Gold Plated.
What bugs me about this is that any benefits unions have are from negotiations with management.
That is they gave up something (usually wage related or more and more positions) to get something (better/less expensive) health benefits.
That "Serious" people are so quick to tell unions to give away earned benefits speaks to an arrogance that is rampant in the Beltway.
See how cr@pping on the unions brought JK and Krauthammer together?
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Joe ignore the fact that the evidence for the Mayo clinic's "efficiency" is based on a myth from bad data from the Dartmouth group. Specifically, Dartmouth does not control for things like poverty level and transience of population
Moreover, hospitalization costs in Minnesota are HIGHER than average.
Of course, Joe still thinks that "health insurance exchanges" are the way to go. Here's a clue -- they already exist. Its called the internet. Here's one website that does precisely what the "exchanges" will be doing ....
http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/What Joe wants to do in terms of payment is going to kill people who don't have supplemental insurance because what will happen is that the sicker patients with the same diagnosis will not receive the additional care they need because Joe's plan doesn't pay for that additional care.
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...all these interest groups have to be challenged simultaneously--the doctors, lawyers, insurers, pharma and labor..
...and Wall Street. No mention of the role the investment community has in all this...Big Insurance's investment losses contribute to spikes in insurance premiums...and other bad things...See, they just don't throw the money into a big pot and let it sit...they invest it in order to show better profitability to Wall Street.
@JK: The third group...are those labor unions...
Whose costs are going up and coverage is going down as well.
As for taxing benefits, technically your employer contribution should be considered income, but I don't see that option working out.
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Perhaps a "gold-plated" plan is one that actually pays some of your medical bills.
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Well, that sure as h3ll doesn't describe what the unions are getting.
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OK, JK, I get you on malpractice, one of the groups you condemn. Tort reform, however sullied a term by GOP raving, is necessary and not only where H-C is concerned. Of course, GOP raving is guided primarily by their desire to protect their corp. lords from ever being held accountable.
That said, as a lefty I simply can't stomach your hostility to unions, particularly given their overall collapse in American society and the rampant vulnerability of far too many workers who are (under)employed (e.g. Walmart's millions). You say: "It places too great a burden on American companies trying to compete with corporations from other countries where the government pays for health care." So, in lieu of perhaps taking cues from most of the developed world which seem to put their citizens' interests first, Americans are left to their ... exceptionalism?
And saying the GOP is the principal obstacle to real change is nothing short of hyperbole. The dems have the votes to get this done. The main barriers to real change are blue dogs and those in positions of influence (i.e. Baucus) who are bought and paid for. It goes without saying the GOP is representing their constituencies (Wall Street as opposed to Main St), but they're not chairing any committees.
You toss in mentions of big pharma/insurance at the end, as if they're minor players. In fact, they're the obese elephants in the room, as is the pan/endemic corruption on capitol hill. Calling it legal doesn't make it so. You're simply inverting/obscuring the true nature of the obstacles (Hint: writing such as this is one of 'em).
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"Every doctor knows, as I did when I practiced years ago, how much unnecessary medical cost is incurred with an eye not on medicine but on the law."
I thought that Krauthammer was a psychiatrist. I wouldn't think that, normally, malpractice insurance would be a big deal for someone who just sits in a chair across from you and talks. However, I realize than in Krauthammer's case, it's probably a good idea.
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1. The total of all malpractice insurance premiums amounts to 0.56% of health care costs.
2. The CBO has examined the idea of defensive medicine. They found no difference in practice between states with limits on tort settlements and those with no limits.
3. There is no correlation between the price of malpractice premiums and the amount given out in malpractice settlements.
4. The price of premiums does (anti) correlate with interests rates.
5. If you take all the money given out in malpractice settlements over $250,000 in NJ ( a state without caps) in a year and give it to physicians, each doctor would get $15.These come from the book The Malpractice Myth by Peter Baker (U of Chicago Press)
Thus the doctors are wrong on almost every count. Malpractice premiums are not a significant factor in health costs. Physicians order unnecessary tests and treatments even when there are draconian limits on lawsuits as in Texas. Caps would save us nothing. The price they pay for insurance has nothing to do with the large settlements given out, and the total amount of money involved in these settlements is trivial. What they believe is a fantasy.
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