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		<title>By: Insecurity and Squabbling on Obama&#8217;s Foreign Policy Team? &#171; The Negotiator</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/20/getting-defensive-at-nsc-state/comment-page-1/#comment-81704</link>
		<dc:creator>Insecurity and Squabbling on Obama&#8217;s Foreign Policy Team? &#171; The Negotiator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jim Jones , NSC , President Obama , State Department , United States Leave a&#160;Comment       In this piece over at the swampland, Joe Klein delves into the inner workings of the relationship between General Jones at the NSC and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FlownOver</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/20/getting-defensive-at-nsc-state/comment-page-1/#comment-81665</link>
		<dc:creator>FlownOver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s informative that Tapper felt an obligation to apologize to a fellow Villager, but not to the public for his breach of journalistic ethics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's informative that Tapper felt an obligation to apologize to a fellow Villager, but not to the public for his breach of journalistic ethics.</p>
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		<title>By: ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/20/getting-defensive-at-nsc-state/comment-page-1/#comment-81648</link>
		<dc:creator>ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Oh, gag me! Woodward is about as relevant as Bill Kristol, or Joke Line, for that matter.&lt;/i&gt;

Amen.

Sold their souls for &lt;strike&gt;rock and roll&lt;/strike&gt; insider status and bucks.  (I doubt Kristol ever had a soul, come to think of it.)
~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oh, gag me! Woodward is about as relevant as Bill Kristol, or Joke Line, for that matter.</i></p>
<p>Amen.</p>
<p>Sold their souls for <strike>rock and roll</strike> insider status and bucks.  (I doubt Kristol ever had a soul, come to think of it.)<br />
~</p>
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		<title>By: cincinnatus est exterminata!</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/20/getting-defensive-at-nsc-state/comment-page-1/#comment-81646</link>
		<dc:creator>cincinnatus est exterminata!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose, cops go into bastions of liberalism because that&#039;s where the q@eers, n*ggers and w@tbacks are, also people with educations. And cops loves them beatin&#039; some of those. Example:
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 http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/san-diego-sheriff-calls-for-probe-into-pepper-spray-use-at-political-event.html
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There&#039;s only one thing cops hate more than non heteros and non whites, and that&#039;s the college educated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose, cops go into bastions of liberalism because that's where the q@eers, n*ggers and w@tbacks are, also people with educations. And cops loves them beatin' some of those. Example:<br />
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 <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/san-diego-sheriff-calls-for-probe-into-pepper-spray-use-at-political-event.html" rel="nofollow">http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/san-diego-sheriff-calls-for-probe-into-pepper-spray-use-at-political-event.html</a><br />
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There's only one thing cops hate more than non heteros and non whites, and that's the college educated.</p>
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		<title>By: rose83</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/20/getting-defensive-at-nsc-state/comment-page-1/#comment-81629</link>
		<dc:creator>rose83</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s my age, but I think what astonished me most about Gates&#039; arrest - wow, that will just never stop sounding weird - is that he&#039;s pretty &lt;i&gt;old&lt;/i&gt; to be profiled so blatantly. And while I don&#039;t know Boston I can reasonably assume that Gates lives in a &quot;bastion of liberalism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it's my age, but I think what astonished me most about Gates' arrest - wow, that will just never stop sounding weird - is that he's pretty <i>old</i> to be profiled so blatantly. And while I don't know Boston I can reasonably assume that Gates lives in a "bastion of liberalism."</p>
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		<title>By: square1</title>
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		<dc:creator>square1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; (It was an article of faith among the Obama campaign staff that Blumenthal was the source of scurrilous rumors about both Obamas in the spring of 2008.)&lt;/i&gt;

What is it with Democrats?  There are two kinds of people who are beyond the pale: (a) Genuine liberals, aka DFHs and (b) Democrats who have crossed them in the past.  Republicans get a free pass for all their swift-boating.

Look, I would get it if Obama wanted to hold a grudge against Blumenthal if he was consistent.  But can any sane person argue that anything that came out of the Clinton camp was WORSE than what came out of the McCain camp?  Of course not.  And Obama would bust out the bipartisan kneepads for John &quot;that one&quot; McCain in a heartbeat.

This isn&#039;t just about Obama.  The Clintons (and the PUMAs) have been just as irrational in their selective animosity.  How annoying was it to watch Bill Clinton pall around with Bush pere and defend Bush fils on Iraq and Katrina?  How annoying was it to watch Hillary suck up to Murdoch and Scaife during the primaries even as the PUMAs blamed their fellow Democrats for every slander against her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> (It was an article of faith among the Obama campaign staff that Blumenthal was the source of scurrilous rumors about both Obamas in the spring of 2008.)</i></p>
<p>What is it with Democrats?  There are two kinds of people who are beyond the pale: (a) Genuine liberals, aka DFHs and (b) Democrats who have crossed them in the past.  Republicans get a free pass for all their swift-boating.</p>
<p>Look, I would get it if Obama wanted to hold a grudge against Blumenthal if he was consistent.  But can any sane person argue that anything that came out of the Clinton camp was WORSE than what came out of the McCain camp?  Of course not.  And Obama would bust out the bipartisan kneepads for John "that one" McCain in a heartbeat.</p>
<p>This isn't just about Obama.  The Clintons (and the PUMAs) have been just as irrational in their selective animosity.  How annoying was it to watch Bill Clinton pall around with Bush pere and defend Bush fils on Iraq and Katrina?  How annoying was it to watch Hillary suck up to Murdoch and Scaife during the primaries even as the PUMAs blamed their fellow Democrats for every slander against her?</p>
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		<title>By: Art Pepper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Pepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the Dave Chapelle line? He broke in and put up pictures of his family everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the Dave Chapelle line? He broke in and put up pictures of his family everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: jcapan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcapan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From WaPo&#039;s &quot;Corrections&quot; on Friday, July 17, 2009 

-- A July 16 Style article incorrectly said that ABC&#039;s Jake Tapper used Twitter to apologize to NBC&#039;s David Gregory for sending a critical remark of Gregory&#039;s to the office of South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford. Tapper apologized by phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From WaPo's "Corrections" on Friday, July 17, 2009 </p>
<p>-- A July 16 Style article incorrectly said that ABC's Jake Tapper used Twitter to apologize to NBC's David Gregory for sending a critical remark of Gregory's to the office of South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford. Tapper apologized by phone.</p>
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		<title>By: jcapan</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/20/getting-defensive-at-nsc-state/comment-page-1/#comment-81598</link>
		<dc:creator>jcapan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d add that this offers a wonderful counterpoint to Ross Douche-hat&#039;s column today.  

And let&#039;s not forget Joe&#039;s Groundhog-Day sctick of rebutting nutters and condemning other nations for our own warped practices--that&#039;s simply more of the same, and I can&#039;t summon the resolve to call him out (my own sctick?)  

OTOH, as Cincy points out, that poll (however scientific) is simply great news.  As w/demographic #s spelling doom for the GOP long term, the younger generation(s) are increasingly rejecting the propaganda model of journalism.  They will continue to embrace the likes of Stewart or Froomkin (i.e. those who like Cronkite are unafraid of illustrating reality).  Whether it&#039;s a plummeting viewership or readership, the corp powers that be are unwilling to acknowledge one simple truth--news consumers are sick &amp; tired of being lied to.  They&#039;re trying all manner of dog &amp; pony shows (this blog among them), but they&#039;re still peddling the same snake oil.

The question is when will the networks abandon their &quot;news&quot; programming entirely.  Again, I have no idea what replaces it (cable is even more loathsome), but as with WaPo or Time, sometimes the aristocracy simply has to be deposed.  Worry about what&#039;s to come later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd add that this offers a wonderful counterpoint to Ross Douche-hat's column today.  </p>
<p>And let's not forget Joe's Groundhog-Day sctick of rebutting nutters and condemning other nations for our own warped practices--that's simply more of the same, and I can't summon the resolve to call him out (my own sctick?)  </p>
<p>OTOH, as Cincy points out, that poll (however scientific) is simply great news.  As w/demographic #s spelling doom for the GOP long term, the younger generation(s) are increasingly rejecting the propaganda model of journalism.  They will continue to embrace the likes of Stewart or Froomkin (i.e. those who like Cronkite are unafraid of illustrating reality).  Whether it's a plummeting viewership or readership, the corp powers that be are unwilling to acknowledge one simple truth--news consumers are sick &amp; tired of being lied to.  They're trying all manner of dog &amp; pony shows (this blog among them), but they're still peddling the same snake oil.</p>
<p>The question is when will the networks abandon their "news" programming entirely.  Again, I have no idea what replaces it (cable is even more loathsome), but as with WaPo or Time, sometimes the aristocracy simply has to be deposed.  Worry about what's to come later.</p>
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		<title>By: jcapan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcapan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rose, thanks for posting that.  Unbelievable.  This guy is one of my heroes.  In his own home ... just boggles the mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose, thanks for posting that.  Unbelievable.  This guy is one of my heroes.  In his own home ... just boggles the mind.</p>
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