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		<title>By: dalybean</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/08/hair-shirt/comment-page-2/#comment-79774</link>
		<dc:creator>dalybean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re on the run, Joe.  They&#039;ve shut down their comments.  Ha!

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/72711</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They're on the run, Joe.  They've shut down their comments.  Ha!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/72711" rel="nofollow">http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/72711</a></p>
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		<title>By: spob</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/08/hair-shirt/comment-page-2/#comment-79585</link>
		<dc:creator>spob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cfukara, in France, in the banlieus, a Muslim teen or young woman not wearing the hijab and wearing a miniskirt is likely to get a tournante.  

Moreover, cfukara, I am just parroting what the French government has said about the hijab ban.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cfukara, in France, in the banlieus, a Muslim teen or young woman not wearing the hijab and wearing a miniskirt is likely to get a tournante.  </p>
<p>Moreover, cfukara, I am just parroting what the French government has said about the hijab ban.</p>
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		<title>By: 53_3</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/08/hair-shirt/comment-page-1/#comment-79551</link>
		<dc:creator>53_3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spob cares about racism?

Tell me &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;another&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; joke!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spob cares about racism?</p>
<p>Tell me <i><b>another</b></i> joke!</p>
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		<title>By: cfukara</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/08/hair-shirt/comment-page-1/#comment-79487</link>
		<dc:creator>cfukara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spob  &lt;i&gt;&quot; .. &lt;b&gt;I believe&lt;/b&gt; that the French prohibition on the hijab in its public schools is designed to undermine people &lt;b&gt;who would force&lt;/b&gt; Muslim girls to wear it. &lt;b&gt;Perhaps&lt;/b&gt; that&#039;s not a good enough reason, but &lt;b&gt;it certainly&lt;/b&gt; takes the ban out of the realm of racism and lunacy..&quot;&lt;/i&gt;


My experience suggests that most (in fact nearly all) Muslim girls prefer to wear the hijab / burqa.  Shouldn&#039;t they be as free to wear it as those who prefer to wear jeans, dresses and minis and stilettos etc?

Your reason is less that stellar.

From  &quot;I believe&quot; you go on to &quot;perhaps&quot; and then onto to conclude  &quot;it certainly ...&quot;

Now before you arrived at your &quot;certainty&quot; did you forget to do some reasoning/deductions in between and perhaps even establishing then integrity of your premise or &quot;belief&quot;?
[Or are you into the realm of &#039;faith&#039; (belief) that needs no empirical evidence (certainty)?]


Indeed,  the ban is smack in the realm of racism,  lunacy and crusadist/christianist viciousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spob  <i>" .. <b>I believe</b> that the French prohibition on the hijab in its public schools is designed to undermine people <b>who would force</b> Muslim girls to wear it. <b>Perhaps</b> that's not a good enough reason, but <b>it certainly</b> takes the ban out of the realm of racism and lunacy.."</i></p>
<p>My experience suggests that most (in fact nearly all) Muslim girls prefer to wear the hijab / burqa.  Shouldn't they be as free to wear it as those who prefer to wear jeans, dresses and minis and stilettos etc?</p>
<p>Your reason is less that stellar.</p>
<p>From  "I believe" you go on to "perhaps" and then onto to conclude  "it certainly ..."</p>
<p>Now before you arrived at your "certainty" did you forget to do some reasoning/deductions in between and perhaps even establishing then integrity of your premise or "belief"?<br />
[Or are you into the realm of 'faith' (belief) that needs no empirical evidence (certainty)?]</p>
<p>Indeed,  the ban is smack in the realm of racism,  lunacy and crusadist/christianist viciousness.</p>
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		<title>By: cfukara</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/08/hair-shirt/comment-page-1/#comment-79480</link>
		<dc:creator>cfukara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>retiredsoldier 7:56 pm : &lt;i&gt;&quot; .. In the USA, people already have the right to wear pretty much what they want to wear,  .. &quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Ah. The much-touted &#039;rights&#039; and &#039;freedoms&#039;.

In USA, a woman may rightly walk down the street wearing a burqa  - and some have  paid for that right and preference in attire with their lives.  Result: Muslim and Hindi women scared to wear pretty what they prefer.

And of course, a Muslim man is aware that if he is to have it a little easier at our airports and in the air, he better not stand out and be profiled as a Muslim. 


In Iran, USA, France and just about anywhere else one can wear pretty what one wants to wear.  But there are consequences if one deviates from the norm.  In USA, you can walk down any busy street wearing little or no clothes at all.  But there may be dire consequences - including a police record, a fine and/or jail term. 

The USA is marketed in the world as a land of freedom/ liberty for the individual  - and to show for that, we have in our prison system, over 2 million of those who would take liberties.

SO?
------ ways of the free world
The United States has less than 5 percent of the world&#039;s population. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;But it has almost a quarter of the world&#039;s prisoners.&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>retiredsoldier 7:56 pm : <i>" .. In the USA, people already have the right to wear pretty much what they want to wear,  .. "</i></p>
<p>Ah. The much-touted 'rights' and 'freedoms'.</p>
<p>In USA, a woman may rightly walk down the street wearing a burqa  - and some have  paid for that right and preference in attire with their lives.  Result: Muslim and Hindi women scared to wear pretty what they prefer.</p>
<p>And of course, a Muslim man is aware that if he is to have it a little easier at our airports and in the air, he better not stand out and be profiled as a Muslim. </p>
<p>In Iran, USA, France and just about anywhere else one can wear pretty what one wants to wear.  But there are consequences if one deviates from the norm.  In USA, you can walk down any busy street wearing little or no clothes at all.  But there may be dire consequences - including a police record, a fine and/or jail term. </p>
<p>The USA is marketed in the world as a land of freedom/ liberty for the individual  - and to show for that, we have in our prison system, over 2 million of those who would take liberties.</p>
<p>SO?<br />
------ ways of the free world<br />
The United States has less than 5 percent of the world's population. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738.html" rel="nofollow">But it has almost a quarter of the world's prisoners.</a></p>
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		<title>By: spob</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/08/hair-shirt/comment-page-1/#comment-79436</link>
		<dc:creator>spob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that the French prohibition on the hijab in its public schools is designed to undermine people who would force Muslim girls to wear it.  Perhaps that&#039;s not a good enough reason, but it certainly takes the ban out of the realm of racism and lunacy.  Likely, Obama had no idea about the reason for the passage of the law when he opened his yap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the French prohibition on the hijab in its public schools is designed to undermine people who would force Muslim girls to wear it.  Perhaps that's not a good enough reason, but it certainly takes the ban out of the realm of racism and lunacy.  Likely, Obama had no idea about the reason for the passage of the law when he opened his yap.</p>
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		<title>By: lawyermommy</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/08/hair-shirt/comment-page-1/#comment-79435</link>
		<dc:creator>lawyermommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the story here should be the CYBER attack on the White House and the domestic terrorists who roam free. Now this attack is hardly surprising because I have written to the FBI and the US Secret Service a number of times regarding Shay Riley of the website “Black Women Blow The Trumpet”.. a so called Black Power Site which is used as a front for launching attacks against individuals.

These online THUGS also listen to my phone calls and activate my microphone to listen to my messages generally illegally viciously and unrelentingly following me from site to site. THIS WOMAN IS A CYBER THUG. A HOODLUM and yet on the domestic front using benign sites she has been able to thwart law enforcement and remains free to date.

She and her husband AKBAR SHABAZZ of the website http://www.akbarshabazz.com are DOMESTIC TERRORISTS and even these beasts have NOT BEEN STOPPED, INVESTIGATED AND MADE TO FACE THE FULL FORCE AND EFFECT OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. HOW THEN CAN WE HOPE TO STOP ATTACKS FROM THE OUTSIDE WHEN THESE FELONS ON THE DOMESTIC FRONT HAVE NOT BEEN INVESTIGATED ON A CONSISTENT AND VIGOROUS BASIS.

This SHAY RILEY is probably a Pedophile, definitely a CYBER THUG who breaks into hundreds of sites daily and alters them with impunity. Committing felony after felony DAILY. A brazen Predator. This CYBER THUG SHAY RILEY who owns numerous sites including the website “BlackFemaleInterracial Marriage blog” is FREE and providing Predators and other CYBER TERRORISTS BOTH DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL with the impetus to use online TECHNOLOGY AND TELEPHONIC ABILITY TO ATTACK, RAPE AND VIOLATE INNOCENT CITIZENS!

That they attacked the White House is an index of the glaring inability of Law enforcement to vigorously investigate and route EVEN DOMESTIC CYBER TERRORISTS like this vermin Shay Riley and others of her ilk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the story here should be the CYBER attack on the White House and the domestic terrorists who roam free. Now this attack is hardly surprising because I have written to the FBI and the US Secret Service a number of times regarding Shay Riley of the website “Black Women Blow The Trumpet”.. a so called Black Power Site which is used as a front for launching attacks against individuals.</p>
<p>These online THUGS also listen to my phone calls and activate my microphone to listen to my messages generally illegally viciously and unrelentingly following me from site to site. THIS WOMAN IS A CYBER THUG. A HOODLUM and yet on the domestic front using benign sites she has been able to thwart law enforcement and remains free to date.</p>
<p>She and her husband AKBAR SHABAZZ of the website <a href="http://www.akbarshabazz.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.akbarshabazz.com</a> are DOMESTIC TERRORISTS and even these beasts have NOT BEEN STOPPED, INVESTIGATED AND MADE TO FACE THE FULL FORCE AND EFFECT OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. HOW THEN CAN WE HOPE TO STOP ATTACKS FROM THE OUTSIDE WHEN THESE FELONS ON THE DOMESTIC FRONT HAVE NOT BEEN INVESTIGATED ON A CONSISTENT AND VIGOROUS BASIS.</p>
<p>This SHAY RILEY is probably a Pedophile, definitely a CYBER THUG who breaks into hundreds of sites daily and alters them with impunity. Committing felony after felony DAILY. A brazen Predator. This CYBER THUG SHAY RILEY who owns numerous sites including the website “BlackFemaleInterracial Marriage blog” is FREE and providing Predators and other CYBER TERRORISTS BOTH DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL with the impetus to use online TECHNOLOGY AND TELEPHONIC ABILITY TO ATTACK, RAPE AND VIOLATE INNOCENT CITIZENS!</p>
<p>That they attacked the White House is an index of the glaring inability of Law enforcement to vigorously investigate and route EVEN DOMESTIC CYBER TERRORISTS like this vermin Shay Riley and others of her ilk.</p>
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		<title>By: mjshep</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/08/hair-shirt/comment-page-1/#comment-79434</link>
		<dc:creator>mjshep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don&#039;t know who Pamela Geller is.&quot;

Count yourself lucky.  Pam Geller is like a bad accident you&#039;ve seen that you can&#039;t get out of your mind for far too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I don't know who Pamela Geller is."</p>
<p>Count yourself lucky.  Pam Geller is like a bad accident you've seen that you can't get out of your mind for far too long.</p>
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		<title>By: retiredsoldier</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/08/hair-shirt/comment-page-1/#comment-79379</link>
		<dc:creator>retiredsoldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the USA, people already have the right to wear pretty much what they want to wear, although they may have to suffer the harassment of idiots who have the right to express themselves in a non-violent way. Is thee anything else that needs to be said?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the USA, people already have the right to wear pretty much what they want to wear, although they may have to suffer the harassment of idiots who have the right to express themselves in a non-violent way. Is thee anything else that needs to be said?</p>
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		<title>By: 53_3</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/07/08/hair-shirt/comment-page-1/#comment-79360</link>
		<dc:creator>53_3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, mrein, have you noticed that just like Iraq, Iran is &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;not&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; part of the USA.
.
A hint:
U.S.A. stands for United States of &lt;b&gt;America&lt;/b&gt;
.
If you need to, grab a map and look for a continent named &#039;America&#039;.  You will immediately notice that &#039;Iran&#039; is nowhere near it.
.
One other thing:
You &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; know what a continent is, don&#039;t you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, mrein, have you noticed that just like Iraq, Iran is <i><b>not</b></i> part of the USA.<br />
.<br />
A hint:<br />
U.S.A. stands for United States of <b>America</b><br />
.<br />
If you need to, grab a map and look for a continent named 'America'.  You will immediately notice that 'Iran' is nowhere near it.<br />
.<br />
One other thing:<br />
You <i>do</i> know what a continent is, don't you...</p>
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