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Paint That Pig: The Nico Pitney-Dana Milbank Smackdown
If you want to know what's wrong with the current state of America's political discourse, take some time to watch this Sunday's CNN's Reliable Sources, where two American journalists acted like petulant politicians, abandoning any pretense to reasonable discussion so they could launch specious attacks on each other's integrity. No doubt supporters of both the Washington Post's Dana Milbank and Huffington Post's Nico Pitney will now declare some sort of moral victory, congratulating themselves on their adherence to truth-telling in the face of phoniness. But all their heroes did was ignore an interesting debate to score cheap television points.
[Read the full post after the jump.]
First, the back story: Historically, the President of the United States has the ability to shape the course of events at most press conferences, because he can choose the reporters that get to ask a question. Of course, the president is supposed to follow a script of sorts--he calls on the Associated Press first, followed by Reuters, the major television networks, the national newspapers, and then members of the periodical press, including national magazines. But he doesn't have to follow the script. And from the beginning, Barack Obama has shown an interest in making a point in the reporters he selects. He has been notably generous in calling on members of the minority press, representatives of black and Hispanic media, and in his first press conference, he called on Sam Stein, a reporter for the liberal, online upstart Huffington Post, to whom the White House staff had given a coveted front row seat.
Very often, Obama's staff will tip off reporters when they might be expected to get a question. This is especially true in diplomatic settings, when American reporters are only given one or two questions. But under no circumstances is the White House allowed to tell the chosen reporter what question to ask, or ask to know the content of a reporter's question. That said, it's not that hard for the president's staff to game the system. If you want to get a question about the U.S. relationship with Chile, as the president did last Tuesday in his press conference, then you just have to call on the Chilean reporter in the room. If you want to talk about issues important to Hispanics, call on the reporter for the Hispanic press. You can't be guaranteed a question on topic, but the odds are good. And whatever the question actually is, you can say whatever you wanted to say.
So what's all the fuss about? Last week, Obama's staff told Pitney before the press conference that they would like him to ask a question at the press conference from an Iranian citizen. Pitney, who has been aggregating information from Iran for weeks, had previously been soliciting questions from Iranians, a process he stepped up after the White House request. The next day, just a few moments before the press conference began, a member of Obama's press staff walked Pitney into the White House briefing room, and placed him in the crowd, where he would be easily seen by the television cameras. (Meanwhile, Stein, the Huffington Post's regular White House reporter, was left to fend for himself in the human sardine can that the briefing room had become.) At the start of the press conference, Obama called on the AP, as required by tradition, and then turned to Pitney, after announcing that the Huffington Post had been collecting questions from Iranians. Pitney proceeded to ask a tough question from an anonymous online respondent--Under what conditions would you accept an Ahmadinejad victory as legitimate?--which the president proceeded to avoid answering with any specifics.
This incident raised all sorts of interesting questions. Should the president be able to place non-White House press reporters in the crowd during his press conferences? Should the wires, newspapers and television networks lose their spots as the first questions of the conference? Should the president be able to invite niche publications with niche topics into the press conference to shape its course, even if the president does not know the exact content of the question? If that is allowed, how much further can the president go in shaping the content of the press conference?
There are no easy answers to any of these questions. Clearly, Pitney was a special case, a stand in for the Iranian people, who have no representatives in the White House press pool. And he asked a good question, as pointed as any that was devised by the mainstream networks and publications. And clearly, the media itself is changing. Niche publications are simply becoming a greater force in our media landscape, addressing the concerns of select audiences, and usurping the power of the previous giants of general interest media, which historically has tried to cater to the broad swath of the American public.
Alas, these complex and interesting questions were soon--sadly--lost to just another political spitting match. The Washington Post's Milbank, who has excelled for years at chronicling the narrative absurdity of federal politics, wrote a column calling the question "arranged" and "planted," while noting the surprise among some in the press corps at the "stagecraft." Arianna Huffington, Pitney's boss, shot back with an even snarkier rejoinder, with reference to the "media sandbox," and a column that suggested the established press was a defensive group of third grade boys whining about the new kid. All this made great web copy, but none of it actually addressed the issues at hand.
And then came Sunday. Howard Kurtz invited both Pitney and Milbank onto his CNN show, ostensibly to talk about the issues at play. But both came prepared for battle. Pitney started off, accusing Milbank of all sorts of unrelated--and out of context--offenses, like once "hailing" President Bush's "Mission Accomplished" banner and once asking Obama about his appearance in a bathing suit, which Pitney termed "pathetic." These are the sorts of attacks that make politicians look small and journalists look puny, since they are based on misleading isolated opposition research that has little to do with reality. As anyone who has followed the Post knows, Milbank has a long history of fiercely critical coverage of the Bush Administration, and covers the news as a columnist, who often unapologetically revels in the superficiality of politics.
Milbank, in turn, responded by declaring vaguely that Pitney was peddling "fiction" while trying to sabotage his foe with a bunch of paper, including a selection of his own columns and a copy of an email that Pitney had written. The pass-the-paper trick didn't look very good when Rick Lazio tried it on Hillary Clinton in 2000, and Milbank did not come off much better. Meanwhile, on the interwebbing, the ideological jabberers took their positions, casting the debate in whatever light their readers might most enjoy. Liberal bloggers even created a tag on Twitter to commemorate the event, with wording (#dickwhisperer) that generally matched the seriousness of the discussion. Conservative bloggers pointed to Pitney as further evidence that Obama controls the media. Liberal media watchers played the Bush-was-worse game by pointing out past examples of manipulation of press conference questions.
Watch it all here:
The whole painted-pig kabuki, which is how we now do business, quickly became the sort of sideshow that makes most voters not want to vote before Election Day, a tribal contest of egos and bragging rights. And lost in all of it was any reasoned discussion of the interesting issues at play. For me, the most interesting unanswered question is this: As the media becomes more fragmented, and reporters increasingly represent niche audiences, how can (or should) the White House press corps contain the President's ability to tailor the subject matter and tenor of his press conferences with the people he calls on? This is not a partisan issue, nor does it condemn reporters like Pitney who use their opportunities to ask tough questions. Simply put, Obama is not the first president to play this game, and he won't be the last.
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Not bad, MS. Not bad at all.
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I'm confused. Today you bemoan the lack of "reasoned discussion of the interesting issues at play"
while your TIME story on the press conference was about the the media defending its turf.
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"The Press Stops Playing Nice with Obama"
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http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1906654,00.html
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That no one is doubting the quality of Pitney's question but focusing on some insinuated process issue tells us plenty about the media.
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Maybe if he had made a crack about BHO sneaking a cigarette Pitney could have spared himself the ankle biting. -
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Scherer
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You spend 99% of the article pointing out how wrong Milbank was both in his column (which did NOT include the text of Pitney's statement by the way) and on air today, yet you still can't find it in you to proclaim him the ass hole that he is in this situation. Yet again a phantom "he said, she said" post where its all supposed to be a mystery as to who is right and who is wrong framed only by which side of the ideological track you are.
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Bull frikkin sh*t.
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Dana Milbank came off as a jack ass which you pointed out in the column and came off as a jack ass which you pointed out on the show today. Mystery solved.
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Oh and one more thing that you may or may not want to include in an update. The reason for the twitter hashtag #dickwhisper is because Nico Pitney put a post up on his blog after the show recounting how Milbank leaned into him after their segment ended and said "You are such a dick". Just reinforcing who was the real ass hole in all of this.
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Sheesh man this David Gregory type reporting is bullsh*t. -
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The WHPC can try to contain the President's ability to tailor the subject matter and tenor of the press conferences, but it won't mean anything unless the President allows them to. The asking of questions as followed by tradition (AP first, Reuters second etc) means nothing. The President chooses. He can continue following the traditional method or he can change it at whim. It is up to him. He is the one behind the podium. Besdies writing columns about it, what are the press options if he doesn't do it the old way?
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" The asking of questions as followed by tradition (AP first, Reuters second etc) means nothing. The President chooses"
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Hey Zeus Christ, MS, @ 1340 words, I'm striving to discern a coherent thesis here. I would say Huff, who I can rarely stand, is largely right in suggesting "the established press were a defensive group of third grade boys whining about the new kid."
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And Milbank has zero credibility. See here:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHwyEbuWeso&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esalon%2Ecom%2Fopinion%2Fgreenwald%2F&feature=player_embedded
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Or, in fact, here for equally banal "journalism":
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http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/06/23/the-presidents-feisty-press-conference/
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You say: "the previous giants of general interest media, which historically has tried to cater to the broad swath of the American public."
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LOL! Cater to, meaning (M-W) "to supply what is required or desired." Interesting choice of words, and I'm sure you beleive that. That'll surely help when you're waiting tables in a few years. -
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"Sheesh man this David Gregory type reporting is bullsh*t."
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I'd add Mark Halperin or Kurtz (THE HORROR) himself as other models... -
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The piece wasn't as horrible as I expected it to be but I do have a couple of quibbles.
Firstly, the claim of equivalency is a bit over the top but I can certainly understand that an argument can be made for it. I don't think that you did make it, just that it could be made.
Secondly, do you think that this storm would have brewed if it wasn't for the fact that Mr Pitney's question was one of the toughest of the presser?
Thirdly, who said that the President has to follow the script anyway? All that script does is ensure that the tradtional media maintains primacy.
Finally, you speak of the President's ability to tailor subject matter and tenor of his press conferences. I for one am all for a President calling on members of the press that are going to hold his feet to the fire on substantive issues. I would hazard a guess that most people would think that Mr Pitney's question was more substantive than the one asked about whether the President had changed his position on Iran in response to criticism from Senators Graham and McCain.
If President Obama starts calling on folks that fire him softballs, then that would be something that he and those that collaborate in it should be rightly criticised for. That wasn't what happened here. It shouldn't have been necessary for Mr Pitney to ask the question that he did, one of the traditional media reporters should have asked it first.
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Stuff like this is the least of our problems with American discourse. How about voter apathy, our rigid, ridiculous two-party system, McCain-Feingold, etc.
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Pitney started off, accusing Milbank of all sorts of unrelated offenses... once asking Obama about his appearance in a bathing suit, which Pitney termed "pathetic."
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MS you are the White House correspondent for TIME-what would be your term?
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"As anyone who has followed the Post knows, Milbank has a long history of fiercely critical coverage of the Bush Administration, and covers the news as a columnist, who often unapologetically revels in the superficiality of politics."
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Like this for example? "You know what it is, Howie, I think that Gore is sanctimonious and that's sort of the worst thing you can be in the eyes of the press. And he has been disliked all along and it was because he gives a sense that he's better than us—he's better than everybody, for that matter, but the sense that he's better than us as reporters. Whereas President Bush probably is sure that he's better than us—he's probably right—but he does not convey that sense. He does not seem to be dripping with contempt when he looks at us, and I think that has something to do with the coverage." Dana Milbank, Aug. 2002
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0208/10/rs.00.html
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Digby today: "Just to put this into perspective, think about this: Nico Pitney has spent the last two weeks tirelessly developing sources from inside Iran, aggregating every relevant story available on the internet through every available form of the new communication technology and synthesizing one of the most difficult and important foreign policy stories of the decade. Dana Milbank has spent the same period b!tching about the "low press" getting to ask questions at a press conference and filming snotty little gossip items for his little insider video embarrassment called "Mouthpiece Theatre."
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By the way Scherer, this line.
.As anyone who has followed the Post knows, Milbank has a long history of fiercely critical coverage of the Bush Administration,
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Only applies if by "anyone who has followed" you mean the Washington press core. For everyone else Milbank simply followed how the political wind was blowing. When Bush was at his highest you didn't see Milbank holding his feet to the fire. Just because he chose to do so after Bush's approval ratings sunk don't exactly make him a hero in my book. But I am sure such an offense as going against conservatives instead of liberals can get you banned from polite company in the village. -
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And yes, preview is my friend.
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BTW
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There is a coup/legal removal of the president, going on in Honduras right now. I think this blog I am going to link to is actually a right wing blog, but they seem to have some really good coverage of what is going on. Since we haven't heard anything about it here at Swampland.
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You could just, you know, not have press conferences, and report on what the president is actually doing instead of what he says in these propaganda sessions.
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Am I to understand that this tete-a-tete with two journalists (I use the term "journalist" lightly in the case of the oh-so-clever Milbank) is among the most important things happening at this moment?
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sgwhite, not the political wins. Milbank was public enemy number one in the press corps for Ari Fleischer in 2001, a fact that can be seen as an honor of sorts. I can't find a link online, but this is how the Washingtonian's Harry Jaffe characterized the dispute in May of 2001:
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'Every White House tries to control news coverage, but the Bush team has been unusually quick to attack stories not to its liking. Post White House correspondent Dana Milbank has become a target.
At a lunch with Post executive editor Len Downie and managing editor Steve Coll, White House press secretary Ari Fleischer criticized the story in which Milbank detailed the number of times Fleischer "referred" questions at news conferences. Fleischer has criticized Milbank to editors at the Post before and to other reporters.
Says Milbank: "He's yet to call and say, 'Mighty fine story, Dana.' I don't know how I could make them happy short of rewriting their press releases."
Milbank, author of the campaign book Smashmouth, came to the Post from the New Republic, where his writing was leavened with attitude. Most of his first stories in the Post were on the Style pages. When he switched to politics, some of his needles slipped into his stories, which caused the White House to complain.
"I think Dana is making a transition from Style to national," Fleischer says. "He's a hardworking reporter. It's not a question of like or dislike. My style is to talk directly and forthrightly. The only issue is accuracy."
Fleischer has held up New York Times writer Frank Bruni as more to his liking. Bruni has written such sweet stories that New Republic has started a Bruni "suck-up watch."'
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meant to write "political winds"
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"You could just, you know, not have press conferences, and report on what the president is actually doing instead of what he says in these propaganda sessions."
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Generally speaking, I like Milbank, but he's being a complete assh*le here, and compounding his assh*lry by pretending that this wasn't a completely singular circumstance. Via the miracle of modern technology, Pitney was communicating directly with regular citizens directly caught up in a monumental popular uprising that could end up being one of the most significant political events in decades. Why on Earth wouldn't Obama want to hear one of their questions?
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Furthermore, I think BHO was doing something politically quite brilliant, which was letting Iranian leaders know, quite clearly, that this isn't the old days any more, that you can't seal off the country, that the rest of the world's watching -- they're able to see in, and your citizens are able to communicate out.
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If Milbank wasn't such a ponce, he might have thought about & written about this rather than boohooing about a dirty smelly blogger was allowed into the room. -
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Scherer
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Again, if you think pointing out how many times Ari Fleischer deferred on questions as "hard hitting" once again I am going to point out to you the bubble that you are living in. The thing about it is BushCo was so adept at manipulating the Villagers that even the slightest criticism was blown up like it was some great offense. But Scherer unless you can show me articles from Milbank about how irresponsible it was to cut taxes at a time for war, when the debate was going on, or questioning the veracity of WMD intelligence while the debate was going on, or the outing of Valerie Plame while the debate was going on I am going to again reiterate it was in fact political winds. Who gives a sh*t that he criticized Bush after the horse was out of the gate? Its supposed to be his job and your job and the rest of your peers job to help make sure that horse never gets out of the gate in the first place. There were a few Washington journos actually doing that type of thing from 2001 to 2004 but Milbank wasn't one of them. -
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Oh and Scherer, since you are obviously reading the thread when are you going to put the update about Milbank calling Pitney a dick? I would call your reporting incomplete about the twitter hashtag if you don't put the information out there as to how it came to be.
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Oh, I see, Milbank was unpop. with the Bushies--that must mean he's on my team, so I take back all the rot I talked about him above. See, here's the thing, if you'r a vapid gossip whore, you serve neither team's interests. But thanks for playing the partisan game of misdirection. Your door prize is a hefty WTF.
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Who gets a ? or not, staged or otherwise, the WH press corps is a group of poodles leaping for treats or a pat on the head--the fact that those treats are processed, wholly lacking in nutrition or organic truth, is irrelevant to the game of who's hot/not. Better analogy, a bunch of women throwing elbows to land a bouquet. -
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It's true, the quote-fabricating Dana Milbank USED to be a pretty good reporter. He was kind of a thorn in the bushies side in the early years. But Milbank didn't look very good throwing over-the-top accusations of "collusion" and "planted questions." So let's not give him too much credit for his long past work. Today, he acts like a bitter old queen in a smoking jacket and a pompous a$$.
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Should the president be able to invite niche publications with niche topics into the press conference to shape its course, even if the president does not know the exact content of the question? If that is allowed, how much further can the president go in shaping the content of the press conference?
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Michael, what is this "be able to"? It's the President's presser, he can do what he wants. Your colleagues, after spending 8 years as submissive as whipped puppy dogs under Bush, all of a sudden think they are going to dictate the parameters of Obama's pressers? What's that about?
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The fact is, many of your colleagues are privileged, narcissistic jacka$$es. They make you and the serious journos on the beat look bad. I'm on with Cox's suggestion, that they close up the White House press shop, keep on a couple of wire guys to take the press releases, and send you guys home. Surely you can find something more productive to do than whatever it is you guys do down there all day long like preening your ruffled feathers and fabricating news. -
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Is it possible that the sentiment here is just a tad harsh towards MS? The story itself is not all that significant nor is it all that revealing. Yet it does speak to the precise nature of journalism that many, many of you bemoan daily here at Swampland. MS, I believe in all fairness, was simply attempting to do a piece that some of you might find interesting that relates directly to journalistic mediocrity and misdirection from real issues. While you may feel he failed in that regard, give the guy a break for at least trying to appease the insatiable desire to condescend.
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