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I've been receiving a steady stream of favorable emails from Iranian-Americans regarding my appearance on Larry King last night. They're delighted that I made it clear that Iran is different from the other countries in the region--better educated, more sophisticated, with far greater rights for women (although not nearly enough). And they also appreciated the fact that when King asked me what John McCain should do right now, I said, "Be quiet."
The Washington Post has a piece today about the efforts of some Republicans to make hay out of the situation in Iran. McCain, who spent the entire 2008 election making misleading statements about the nature of the Iranian government (I wonder if he still thinks Ahmadinejad is more powerful than the Supreme Leader), has been at the forefront of this. It is very unseemly. I have yet to hear what possible good it would do for the President of the United States to encourage the protesters, except to give the Iranian regime a better excuse for killing more of them. McCain's bleatings are either for domestic political consumption or self-satisfaction, a form of hip-shooting onanism that demonstrates why he would have been a foreign policy disaster had he been elected.
To put it as simply as possible, McCain--and his cohorts--are trying to score political points against the President in the midst of an international crisis. It is the sort of behavior that Republicans routinely call "unpatriotic" when Democrats are doing it. I would never question John McCain's patriotism, no matter how misguided his sense of the country's best interests sometimes seems. His behavior has nothing to do with love of country; it has everything to do with love of self.
Again, the crucial fact about the protesters is this: they may hate the Khamenei-Ahmadinejad regime--who wouldn't?--but that doesn't make them particular fans of the United States. I have yet to meet an Iranian who does not believe that the United States gave poison gas to Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war, gas which injured thousands upon thousands of Iranian men, who still live, incapacitated, in the shadows of that society. (Indeed, the attention Ahmadinejad has paid to the Iran-Iraq war veterans and their families is a major source of his extensive support among the Iranian working class.)
The protesters admire our freedom, but they are appalled--and insulted--by our neocolonialist condescension over the past 50 years. The reformers, and even some conservatives, consider Ahmadinejad the George W. Bush of Iran--a crude, unsophisticated demagogue, who puts a strong Potemkin face to the world without very much knowledge of what the rest of the world is about. This was an anology that came up in interview after interview, with reformers and conservatives alike.
Certainly, Bush the Younger, McCain and the rest of that crowd have absolutely no idea who the Iranian people are. The are not Hungarians in 1956. They do not believe they live in an Evil Empire. They still support their revolution. They shout "Allahu Akbar" in the streets, which was the rallying cry of 1979. They are proud of their nuclear program, even if many have doubts about the efficacy of weaponizing the enriched uraniam that is being produced. They want greater freedom, to be sure. And they believe that the Khamenei-Ahmadinejad forces--and the militarized regime they have empowered, the millions of basiji and revolutionary guards--is a profound perversion of that revolution. They are right. They deserve our prayers and support. But they don't need grandstanding from an American President, and they certainly don't need histrionics from blustery old John McCain.
Update: The wingnuts over at National Review think I'd oppose John McCain's tribute to the martyred Neda on the floor of the Senate. This, of course, is bull pucky. McCain and anyone else can publicly mourn this terrible act of brutality. What is objectionable about McCain's statements is not his support for the protesters, but his untoward belief that the President should be more outspoken and bellicose. Neda's death--and the beatings of the other protesters and journalists, some of which I witnessed--should disgust all of us, should disgust the world. The posturing of neoconservative extremists, looking to score political points, is also disgusting, if decidedly more trivial.
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Joe-Thanks for saving us from the triva today.
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I think another reason why John McCain and the usual supects are acting the way they are is because there really is no down side for them. If Obama does not give involved and things turn out wrong they can then go around saying how wrong Obama was. If Obama does get involved and things go wrong then they can say how wrong Obama was.
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They will still be invited on the talking heads shows and treated as if they are serious elders that know what they are talking about. Flying right in the face of ample evidence that they do not. The paid performers on these shows will not challenge their world view because they don't have the ability to do that. John and his staff and supporters know this and its very apparent because they do it without any fear whatsoever of being called on it. -
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"...a form of hip-shooting onanism that demonstrates why he would have been a foreign policy disaster had he been elected."
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I'll have to remember that! -
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John McCain is blind to the fact that the previous administration had snuffed the previous efforts for reform.
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As experienced as he claims to be, McCain doesn't seem to want to entertain the possibility that Khamenei would like nothing more than an excuse to snuff the movement - and quickly.
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The bad news if it doesn't succeed:
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Khamenei has now gone on record as holding the same views on foreign and domestic policy as Ahmadinejad. Netanyahu's hand will be stronger because of it. -
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Another similarity between Ahmedinijad and Bush: just as Karl Rove so loved bin Laden that he showed up in every GOP ad for about 5 years, Ahmedinijad's best allies in Iranian domestic politics are Bush and McCain.
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A fine post. Looking forward to reading it in the print version. -
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McCain's bleatings are either for domestic political consumption or self-satisfaction, a form of hip-shooting onanism that demonstrates why he would have been a foreign policy disaster had he been elected.
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The latter, and especially the last. McCain's combination of personal arrogance, political sentimentality and bombast incarnates some of the worst elements of the American Right since Reagan. These really are people who believe that Reagan won the cold war single-handedly, with a steely paternal glare.
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I can't imagine "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" didn't get a lot of play in the country concerned, nor the constant wails of the Boltons, Kristols and Gaffneys that bombing Tehran is the foreign policy version of tax cuts: The solution to every problem. -
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Wha' Gunny said!
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YARR! -
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Joe Klein
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You said this.
.It is the sort of behavior that Republicans routinely call "unpatriotic" when Democrats are doing it.I would never question John McCain's patriotism, no matter how misguided his sense of the country's best interests sometimes seems. His behavior has nothing to do with love of country; it has everything to do with love of self.
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I want to make a few observations.
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1. If you realize that Republican pull the unpatriotic smear out of their back pocket at the drop of a dime then I hope that means the next time you hear it from there whether its a week, month year or decade from now you will LOUDLY call bullsh*t.
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2. What does it mean when a Senator acts out of love of self rather than love of country. To me it sounds like you just called McCain out for acting unpatriotically but just didn't want to say the word. And I have a problem with that.
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See the problem that I have with it is that he really IS acting unpatriotically. He is ONLY trying to score political points and you yourself acknowledge that. But you try to set up this false equivalence of how Republicans treated Dems who spoke truth to power and what McCain is doing now. See the Dems who were smeared by Republicans for questioning Bush before we went to war in Iraq and who denounced the torture we were doing in GITMO and who spoke out against wireless wiretapping really WERE speaking out in the country's best interest. And they WERE speaking truth to power. And yet the media time and again allowed the Republicans to tar and feather them with the "unpatriotic" smear when what they were doing was the most patriotic thing possible.
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On the other hand McCain and his cohorts know good and damn well that all of the things they are attacking Pres Obama is bullsh*t. Thats why when the few responsible journalists out there ask them what they want Pres Obama to say instead McCain nor the rest of them can't give a good response. And again I am preaching to the choir here because you have already acknowledged its all politics with them.
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So why can't you call it what it is Joe? Why can't you bring yourself to say he is acting unpatriotically when you know that to be the case? I guess yet again IOKIYAR. -
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Thanks for providing a needed dose of reality. The plot-line in the NeoCon comic-book world was getting a little shopworn.
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What I find most appalling is the callous disregard for the ability for the protesters to decide for themselves just how far they wish to push things. As you put it:I have yet to hear what possible good it would do for the President of the United States to encourage the protesters, except to give the Iranian regime a better excuse for killing more of them.
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Their lives are not ours to mess with.
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If course the easy shot is to point out that the same people who's lives are so important to us now that we actually learning their names and their stories would be likely vistims of any US or Israeli military strikes. Bombs and cruise missles are notoriously oblivious to the political inclinations of anybody downrange.
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Of course your willingness to go and report from the scene is just the antidote we need to prevent the gross oversimplification in either direction. -
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McCain and his cohorts know good and damn well that all of the things they are attacking Pres Obama is bullsh*t. Thats why when the few responsible journalists out there ask them what they want Pres Obama to say instead McCain nor the rest of them can't give a good response.
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Don't see how we can rule out the "stupid" hypothesis here, sg, and embrace the "malevolent" one.
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I think McCain really believes that if he were president and he talked tough enough, Iran would fall, terrorism would cease, the budget would balance, and the Cardinals would've been able to hold on against the Steelers. That's what today's conservatism is all about: 100% sneering style, 0% substance. Fortunately, their number is negligible and they are stupid. -
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Excellent post, Joe. Missed you on King, but heard you on Talk of the Nation - also very good. Thanks for getting the message out.
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Elvis
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Its not that I am ruling out the stupid hypothesis Elvis. There is no doubt in my mind that McCain would have been a VERY belligerent President. But he isn't a fool and the proof of the fact that he is full of sh*t is that every time someone asks him or the rest of his neocon bretheren what Pres Obama should have said in their opinion they just start stuttering and uhmming and ahhing. Its all for politics and the MSM aids and abets them by giving them a megaphone every single day. As Bill Maher said the other night, no matter how wrong these NeoCon ass holes are they always get air time where as you can't find a true blue dyed in the wool liberal from Congress like Dennis Kucinich nor in the pundit world like Chomsky on Tee Vee EVER. -
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What pleasantly surprises me is the growing list of conservative commentators including George Will,Scarborough, Noonan and Buchanan who also believe that McCain should STFU. Good times.
On the downside,the WaPo is like a neo-con pep rally with Fred Hiatt as their cheerleading coach. Hopefully, these dinosaurs will soon be extinct. Thanks for your good work and wise words, Joe.
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PD -
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"If course the easy shot is to point out that the same people who's lives are so important to us now that we actually learning their names and their stories would be likely vistims of any US or Israeli military strikes. Bombs and cruise missles are notoriously oblivious to the political inclinations of anybody downrange."
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I be thinkin' ye be hittin' th' nail ri' on th' head thar, laddie - an' I be thinkin', a wee bit, tha' th' Republicans a-spoutin' this swill may be actual WANTIN' th' protests t' be snuffed out b'fore we become too attached t' those who suddenly be appearin' human an' a lot more like us. We may become hesitant t' bomb 'em off th' face o' th' earth - fer their own good, o' course!
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Why any responsible news organization be payin' these scum-suckers any attention whatsoever be beyond me...Oh wait, laddie...never mind!
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Spongy, go F yerself!
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Yarr. -
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Well I agree with that last sentence. America would be a better country with more Noam Chomsky and less McCain/Gingrich/Kristol/Angry White Guy X on TV. (I'm pretty sure I agree with almost nothing Chomsky says, but it'd at least be an interesting perspective. Throw Larison on TV, too).
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It's not all that important a difference between our positions, b/c we agree that the man is a catastrophe, but I don't see why McCain's go-to move for responding to intelligent questions, "stuttering and uhmming and ahhing," means that "he isn't a fool." -
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Elvis
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You are absolutely right. We do agree that the man is a fool. Look back at my first sentence in my response to you. I am not ruling out stupidity as a factor, I just think political gamesmanship is the overarching motivation this time. Again you and I are pretty much on the same page about him. But my problem is saying its just who he is really shields him from the criticism of being unpatriotic which I honestly believe he has been with this and many other attacks since Pres Obama took office. -
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"To put it as simply as possible, McCain--and his cohorts--are trying to score political points against the President in the midst of an international crisis. It is the sort of behavior that Republicans routinely call "unpatriotic" when Democrats are doing it."
Republicans are also ignoring the fact that the U.S. military is a wee bit tied up at the moment. Even if Obama did come out and talk harshly, he doesn't have much of a stick to back it up with at the moment. Plus I'm not seeing that the American public has any real interest to involve itself in Iran's domestic issues. -
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Via Thinkprogress. Here is John Bolton hitting President Obama's response to the Iranian election crisis.
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BOLTON: Well, it's not at all what they want, and you know what's worst of all about this, looking at President Obama, is not only that he's being timid, he's being disingenuous. The real reason that he won't speak out has nothing to do with this argument that we don't want to meddle. [...]
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[Obama] is abandoning the people in the streets and not providing any possibility of concrete assistance to them.
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Hannity then asked Bolton whether he agreed with Col. Ralph Peters's recent New York Post op-ed, in which he wrote that Obama's “silence” is “a blank check for the current regime.” Bolton surprisingly backtracked and seemed to contradict his statements from a few moments earlier.BOLTON: Well, I think it's mostly right except I would say this. Because including during the Bush administration we did not prepare adequately for this potential revolutionary moment, we're not really in a position now to offer much concrete assistance.
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And I don't want America to be in a position where we urge people in the streets and then watch them die. I'd rather be a little bit prudent and prepare for the long-term where we really can provide concrete assistance.
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Queen...
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Wha' th' American people be havin' an interest in be o' no concern t' Republicans (nor th' Democrats, neither!). See "Health Care Reform"
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Spongy, go F yerself!
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Yarr! -
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McCain proves the old comedian Ed Wynn's point:
"There's no fool like an old fool."
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Gunny -
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"[Obama] is abandoning the people in the streets and not providing any possibility of concrete assistance to them."
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"we're not really in a position now to offer much concrete assistance."
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"I don't want America to be in a position where we urge people in the streets and then watch them die. I'd rather be a little bit prudent and prepare for the long-term where we really can provide concrete assistance."
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WTF? No one called 'im on this?
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Oh, wait - it be FOX - probably made perfect sense t' 'em.
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Spongy, go F yerself!
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Arrgh! -
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Fortunately, their number is negligible and they are stupid. Be that as it may, why do the MSM still cater to them, like lapdogs? Especially if the MSM is "liberal"? The vocal minority seems to dictate the agenda.
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SG: excellent points, sir.
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Finally, who gives a fudge what McCain says? If he had something to offer, he'd be president, now. Why is anyone listening to that self-inflated, soldier-abandoning, politics-before-patriotism blowhard? -
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According to former CIA officer, Philip Giraldi, the neocons had a plan to protect “the fundamental human rights” of people like Neda and support her fellow “brave Iranians”:
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In Washington it is hardly a secret that the same people in and around the administration who brought you Iraq are preparing to do the same for Iran. The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney's office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing—that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack—but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections.
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pintortwo: The courage of these "senior AF officers" matches that of the MSM. In their inability to call a spade a spade - a la SG's point, above, regarding Joe not calling McCain out for his unpatriotic behavior - they're basically hiding from the consequences.
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McCain--and his cohorts--are trying to score political points against the President in the midst of an international crisis.
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Yes! Thank you!
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Of course your criticism of McCain can only be motivated by anti-semistism. /snark -
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Agree with Middlegirl. Surprising bout of sanity on Morning Joe (lately Joke) and from Noonan. But we still live in a parallel universe: McCain can peddle as much piffle as he wants because David Gregory and his counterparts on Face the Nation and This Weak have a welcome sign out for the Senator.
Thanks, Joe, for responding to the wingnuttery that calls itself the National Review.
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