George Tiller Murdered

Reposted from below but this Andrew Sullivan post is worth the read, I think.
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This illustrates why I say not shocking.
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http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/05/a-far-right-assassination.html
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This is a tragedy. Dr. Tiller had been shot before in both arms and now the lunatics finally murdered him. He provided a service to the public at great risk to himself and now he's dead. This country needs more brave men like him.

Amy Sullivan post valiantly trying to see both sides of the debate in 7...6...5...4...3...2...

What does Amy drive? If this doesn't make her post, nothing will.

Yeah, Operation Rescue is simply shocked. If you yell, fire in a crowded theatre --who could guessthat the feeble minded would do something dangerous and stupid?

Scumbags. They will be held accountable --in this life, and the next.

"The clinic was bombed in June 1986, and was severely vandalized earlier this month. According to the Associated Press, his lawyer said wires to security cameras and outdoor lights were cut and that the vandals also cut through the roof and plugged the buildings' downspouts. Rain poured through the roof and caused thousands of dollars of damage in the clinic. Tiller reportedly asked the FBI to investigate the incident."
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Cut wires to security cameras? I work in a secure room and if the security or phone wire gets cut the police are on the way. Odd that doesn't appear to have happened here.

This is the sort of thing that will happen when people are encouraged to believe that those who disagree with them aren't really human (or "American" or "Christian" or whatever fits in with the wingnuttery du jour). O'Reilly's going to be milking this for weeks.

Thanks for posting this, KT.
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It's incredibly upsetting.
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But, in the interests of fairness --and we must always be fair-- this:
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Today, abortion opponents finally succeeded.
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is not a proper characterization.

We don't know who did this. We don't know that "abortion opponents" did this, and to cast that allegation so widely as to include every other abortion opponent in the description of the perpetrators of this sick "success" is wrong.
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I am truly livid right now, KT. Unlike Barack Obama, I am thoroughly uninterested in a "dialog" with abortion rights opponents over "coming together to reduce abortions". I suspect privacy rights opponents of being just that --not abortion rights opponents, but privacy rights opponents. I am not inclined to view their arguments in good faith. I think that many are anti-woman, and many are essentially proponents of anti-pluralist, anti-Bill of Rights, theocratic government.
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None of this means that I can immediately blame "abortion opponents" in general for this crime, and, in my opinion, neither should you, KT.
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...Because we are above all fair.

Yglesias - follow his provided link, also:
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http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/05/a-kind-of-terrorism-that-works.php

[...] from the MSM, Karen Tumulty at Swampland at [...]

Yeah that was quite a stretch KT.
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"Coming out here in front of the clinic used to be considered outrageous," Hill says as the cars go in and out of the clinic's parking lot. "Now it's old hat. Rescue used to be outrageous. Now it's old. The next thing will be the use of force. Right now it's the focus of a lot of attention, but pretty soon it will be old hat and we'll wonder why we didn't think of it sooner."
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http://www.feministing.com/archives/007218.html

It appears they abortion opponents bombed his clinic in 1986 but..
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"The clinic was bombed in June 1986, and was severely vandalized earlier this month. According to the Associated Press, his lawyer said wires to security cameras and outdoor lights were cut and that the vandals also cut through the roof and plugged the buildings' downspouts. Rain poured through the roof and caused thousands of dollars of damage in the clinic. Tiller reportedly asked the FBI to investigate the incident.

No arrests were made in the 1986 bombing.
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No arrests so who can really say?

"Women and Families are intellectually, emotionally, spiritually, and ethically competent to struggle with complex health issues and come to decisions that are appropriate for themselves"
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This is the kind of thinking that will get someone assassinated in 2009?
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No, we don't know the circumstances, but I heard a fascinating interview with David Niewart a few days ago about his new book which came to mind as soon as I began reading KT's post.
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http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=how_hate_groups_went_mainstream

O'Reilly's going to be milking this for weeks.
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Maybe, maybe not. He's been leading the outrage brigades over Tiller for years now -- just search their names together on Youtube for a sample -- and he might want to softpedal it now for fear of looking like he incited someone to kill the man.
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Or not. O'Reilly seems to be psychotic.

From what I understand they have good leads on the murderer. I predict he will be found soon. I wouldn't be surprised if he takes his own life.

O'Reilly seems to be psychotic.
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That was my (tacit) working assumption.

Can someone please tell me how you can be pro-life and blow someone to kingdom come in their church at the same time?

Rainbow -
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The logic runs something like "It's not murder if you murder a murderer." See also "Hussein, Bush's War of Choice Against Saddam".

It doesn't make sense, does it?

I keep thinking about his wife sitting in the choir, hearing a disturbance, realizing what's happened... I can't imagine.

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None of this means that I can immediately blame "abortion opponents" in general for this crime, and, in my opinion, neither should you, KT.
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...Because we are above all fair.

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I can blame quite a few "pro-lifers" for the rhetoric that makes these crimes sadly frequent, s.z.
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And if your point is just that we do not know yet the motivation of the perp, then I predict you will not have long to wait. If the motive were theft, for instance, then a church full of people would not be an ideal audience.
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kevin - Knowing O'Reilly, he's going to distance himself from the actual murder, feign outrage at those who believed he might have incited this kind of possible violent behavior....but still be on the record as glad the guy is dead as a message to other abortion doctors.
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formerlyrainbow68 - It's called rank hypocrisy, and you see a lot of it in the outrage of the religious right, especially on things like the Death Penalty, War, and the whole abortion protests. The fact that this guy stained a house of God is probably lost on him in his sincere belief that he has done "God's work"

Tiller's "clinic" is a murder mill. If the money is proffered, the abortion is performed. It matters not if the baby is viable. I'm no christian, or religious in any way, but murder is murder. Agnostics and atheists are just as capable of acknowledging this as those who identify themselves as being religious. Killing an 8 month old, unborn baby is certainly a choice. It is the choice to commit murder. The world is a better place without George Tiller.

What stuart said.
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I think I've mentioned before that my mom is pro-life. It's unfair to hold everyone who opposes abortion responsible for the crimes of fringe psychotics, or to suggest that most pro-lifers would see Tiller's murder as a "success."

I don't understand how the fact that the killing happened in church can be lost on anyone is beyond me. Everyone there, old and very young have a mental image they will never be able to erase. Their church, although still special to them, is now the place where someone was gunned down.

Breaking News: Suspect is in custody. Maybe y'all already knew that, I just found out.