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World's Stupidest Argument

Bush flunkies trying to argue that Obama is more polarizing than Bush was. Given the fact that Obama had to take dramatic action, at home and abroad, to start lifting the country from the mess Bush made almost everywhere--and also begin to turn the country away from the myopia and greed of the Reagan era--it's amazing that he hasn't raised more dust or teabags. And, I should add the fact that the alleged polarization mostly results from the fact that Obama gets extremely low ratings from self-identified Republicans, who constitute an extremist shard of a party at this point, is a badge of honor. (Commenter sgwhiteinfla points out that the polarization is also the result of overwhelming--88%--support from Democrats.)

In the long run, it's a safe historical bet that Bush will prove more polarizing than Obama because he was such an abject failure in the job--I doubt we'll ever see Obama submerge to approval ratings in the mid-20s, or launch wars peremptorily without cause or purpose. The constant sniping from Rove, Wehner and the others during Obama's first 100 days is a deeply neurotic reaction to the enormity of their own cockups in office. It shows a profound lack of class or grace, but then, that's no surprise with these guys, is it? They ran the country like thugs, and thugs they remain.

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  • 1

    I think we should all just calm down and have some tea.

  • 2

    i wish you'd reserve some extra criticisms for newt. i know you touched up on him the other day but i just find him exceedingly bereft of any kind of statemanship, grace and thought. Who the hell tries to raise a firestorm while we're dealing with a hostage situation abroad that could in all likeliness result in an american death and a traumatized nation in the depth of a recession? he was just shamelessly positioning his party for profiteering off of an american death. and you only hear muted criticisms of him in the media, as if nothing had happened. when people do such things, and they have a right to, they should take the virulent criticisms just as they had tremendous upside to gain if their wishes came true. srry for the naked feelings. it's just beyond me.

  • 3

    Joe
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    You are partly right but its not just that Republicans which are getting fewer by the day don't like him, its also because Democrats whose numbers are growing everyday LOVE the guy. His 88% approval rating from his own party was higher than even Reagan had with the Republicans at the same time in his administration. Besides that the Independents have a very high approval rating for President Obama. Put it to you this way, President Obama could solve the housing crisis, financial crisis, give universal health care win both the war in Af/Pak negotiate an Israeli/Palestinian peace agreement and still 25% of the country wouldn't approve and those are today's Republicans. Thats what you call a "fringe" party.

  • 4

    Joe Klein says;
    "It shows a profound lack of class or grace, but then, that's no surprise with these guys, is it?"
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    The same "class and grace" Obama demonstrated while overseas at his G-20, blaming Bush at every turn for all of the world's current crises. Yea right Joe!
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    Obama has blamed and accused Bush for every one of his current failures and gaffs. Even Biden can't keep his mouth shut despite the continuous chidings of his own staff.
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    My question is when will Obama take on the "problems" and start to do something about them all? When will Obama start taking responsibility and stop the blame game, and put America's interests first?

  • 5

    I just love it when the liberals try to use hyperbol;
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    http://www.gallup.com/poll/117355/Obama-Approval-Rating-Stable-Polarized.aspx
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    Yes that is ONLY 62%

  • 6

    Rusty obviously didn't watch Obama's press conference yesterday...

  • 7

    Bush was a very competent president. Obama blames Bush for everything 24/7. So much so he has done nothing else in the last 8 weeks but give speech after speech blaming Bush.

  • 8

    Of course Rove, Cheney et all are going to defend the Bush presidency and continually gripe about everything Obama does. Rove and company were the Bush presidency. They are defending themselves, their decisions, their policies. They aren't exactly un-biased sources.

  • 9

    George W. Bush succeeded Clinton and set new standards for political polarization, with a median 64-point difference between Republicans' and Democrats' ratings of him, including record 83-point party divides in the fall of 2004.

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    Just FYI

  • 10

    Calm down. Have some tea. There's a million bags left.

  • 11

    jwindenver Says:
    Wednesday, April 15, 2009 at 3:20 pm
    Rusty obviously didn't watch Obama's press conference yesterday...
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    Yes, consumer confidence is really taking off since Obama has put his policies in place...
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    http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/04/14/afx6290570.html

  • 12

    It's over. Been found out.
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    FreedomWorks Finally Gets Around To It, Warns Protestors Of 'Teabag' Double Meaning.
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    The term "teabagging" has strong sexual connotations. Be wary of anyone with a camera asking you if you are a "teabagger" or if you enjoy "teabagging" or similar leading questions - they are trying to make a fool of you.
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    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/freedomworks-finally-gets-around-to-it.php?ref=fp2

  • 13

    This economy was a long time in the making. I think these polls show that most Americans understand that and are willing to give Obama more then just a couple of months to fix it.

  • 14

    Myopia and greed of the Reagan era, huh? Funny how you only discovered those qualities after this depression. Hindsight is a real kicker isn't it?
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    Also funny how eight years of Clinton had absolutely nothing to do with "myopia and greed." No, he was obviously at the helm of anti-big evil corporations, so I can see why you left him out. /sarc.
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    Oh, by the way, declaring "my turn now" isn't a great way of combating greed. In fact, the very idea of Obama turning the country away from "myopia and greed" is ridiculous.

  • 15

    And this will perhaps fall into one of the 10 "World's Stupidest"...
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/15/homeland-security-memo-right-wing-radicals
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    I guess when the military didn't clap much at Obama's last visit to Iraq, he got pi$$ed. He is now warning against returning military and you should be wary. "They might just join a bunch of skinheads"...

  • 16

    Why does Obama hate our veterans so much that he wants to associate them with groups like Stormfront? Oh, that is the new democrat party line. If you can't come up with a logical argument, call them a right-wing extremists or RACIST!!!

  • 17

    First Joe, "cockups" ? man, I was hoping for you to go with something like, 'the only thing Rush and Co ever did was repeatedly teabag the country' But still, well put.

    Gunny, hilarious, I'm amazed they didn't get into more details because, as they say in the final point in bold to all those teabaggers "...you are uneducated and ignorant."

    Do you think they really wanted to bold that part of the sentence? Hmm, maybe...

  • 18

    Joe Klein:
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    Why is "polarization" a bad thing?
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    Was Martin Luther King Jr. not also a "polarizing" figure?

  • 19

    Stay classy teabaggers
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    http://twitpic.com/3cy4e

  • 20

    But Rusty, you actually are a racist.

  • 21

    Mr Klein,

    You said "They ran the country like thugs, and thugs they remain." This is why I could not stand Bush and his gang.

    I am a Canadian. You can say that it is none of my business. I do not mind!

  • 22

    Rustydog:
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    You should probably read this before you accuse everyone here of indiscriminately calling you a racist instead of arguing the merits of your propositions in good faith.

  • 23

    Not very bright tea baggers
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    http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=20000

  • 24

    "I should add the fact that the alleged polarization mostly results from the fact that Obama gets extremely low ratings from self-identified Republicans, who constitute an extremist shard of a party at this point, is a badge of honor."
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    OK, Joe. Now, can you take it the next step and inform everyone why self-identified Republicans see things so differently than the rest of us? When you have the courage to lay the blame where it belongs (Rove and Wehner, Kristol and Krauthammer are easy, cheap shots), on all of right-wing media and the lies and hate they've been spewing against government, liberals, and Democrats for going on something like 30 years, then you'll be doing your job. The fact that those "self-identified Republicans" and their fellow travelers, 1) represent something like a quarter of the American public, 2) are functionally insane based upon what they believe, 3) get their beliefs directly from the right-wing propaganda machine (that includes FOX, the NRA, Heritage, Clearchannel, the rest of the GOP and the people who fund all of it) and 4) contain nearly all gun-happy and violence-advocating, anti-government extremist groups, represent a real and present danger to the republic. Some of us think that's quite a story.

  • 25

    I'll bet that Obama will be even more polarizing when there are only 15% self-identified repuglicans. Or 10%. At that point Obama will have 90% popularity among the 60% of the population Dem identified, 75% among the 30% independants, and 0% among the repugs. How polarizing is that!
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    It could all start to change, however, if he decides to punt on this.

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