Comments on: Franken Wins a Round http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/31/franken-wins-a-round/ A blog about politics. Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:07:51 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: smoothjazz2008 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/31/franken-wins-a-round/comment-page-2/#comment-54569 smoothjazz2008 Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:43:15 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=11867#comment-54569 @ Paul, I concede that you have focused in on the semantics and your use of semantics in that one instance was more accurate than mine. I think that whether or not the recount is fair is another question. The fact that you continue to debate whether or not we can call this situation "Franken's case" does indicate a fair amount of ignorance on your part and I would agree that that is "perfect" as well. :) @ Paul,

I concede that you have focused in on the semantics and your use of semantics in that one instance was more accurate than mine. I think that whether or not the recount is fair is another question. The fact that you continue to debate whether or not we can call this situation "Franken's case" does indicate a fair amount of ignorance on your part and I would agree that that is "perfect" as well. :)

]]> By: spob http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/31/franken-wins-a-round/comment-page-2/#comment-54516 spob Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:07:08 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=11867#comment-54516 The problem, of course, is that the GOP counties when they counted absentee ballots were stricter than the Dem counties with respect to technical issues with the ballots. Whether or not Coleman has a remedy, the bottom line is that the process was tilted, and democracy loses when that happens. The problem, of course, is that the GOP counties when they counted absentee ballots were stricter than the Dem counties with respect to technical issues with the ballots. Whether or not Coleman has a remedy, the bottom line is that the process was tilted, and democracy loses when that happens.

]]> By: Paul-no not that one http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/31/franken-wins-a-round/comment-page-2/#comment-54513 Paul-no not that one Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:03:12 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=11867#comment-54513 It was the "liberal judges" part that I questioned. You can tell because that's the part I addressed. . So you concede that I demonstrated that the process was open and transparent. Now how should it be determined what fair is? How about a panel of judges appointed by three different governors from three different political parties? . I have explained twice now what the significance of calling the case by the correct term is, that you don't grasp it while at the same time calling someone ignorant is perfect. It was the "liberal judges" part that I questioned. You can tell because that's the part I addressed.
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So you concede that I demonstrated that the process was open and transparent. Now how should it be determined what fair is?
How about a panel of judges appointed by three different governors from three different political parties?
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I have explained twice now what the significance of calling the case by the correct term is, that you don't grasp it while at the same time calling someone ignorant is perfect.

]]> By: smoothjazz2008 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/31/franken-wins-a-round/comment-page-2/#comment-54509 smoothjazz2008 Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:51:14 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=11867#comment-54509 Paul, you are ignorant. You make your case again on semantic grounds. OK, let's agree that the proceedings were open and transparent, but were they fair? Try answering that question. You said you don't know what the "Franken case" means, so that's a semantic argument. You elaborated on the different judges that were present on different aspects of the case, but to say that you don't know what the "Franken case" means is a disingenuous complaint based on semantics. Paul, you are ignorant. You make your case again on semantic grounds. OK, let's agree that the proceedings were open and transparent, but were they fair? Try answering that question.

You said you don't know what the "Franken case" means, so that's a semantic argument. You elaborated on the different judges that were present on different aspects of the case, but to say that you don't know what the "Franken case" means is a disingenuous complaint based on semantics.

]]> By: Paul-no not that one http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/31/franken-wins-a-round/comment-page-2/#comment-54501 Paul-no not that one Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:23:35 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=11867#comment-54501 Smoothjazz you are uninformed. . As the the recount had observers from both camps and the review of disputed ballots was, you know, streamed live for anyone to watch I'm going to suggest that yes, the recount was "open and transparent" . As for why it was important to specify that it is a Coleman case and not sematics I explained that above. . I should add that also means Coleman pays so no cost to the tax payers of Minnesota. Smoothjazz you are uninformed.
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As the the recount had observers from both camps and the review of disputed ballots was, you know, streamed live for anyone to watch I'm going to suggest that yes, the recount was "open and transparent"
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As for why it was important to specify that it is a Coleman case and not sematics I explained that above.
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I should add that also means Coleman pays so no cost to the tax payers of Minnesota.

]]> By: FlownOver http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/31/franken-wins-a-round/comment-page-2/#comment-54492 FlownOver Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:42:31 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=11867#comment-54492 Coleman and his cabal have, of course, no real interest in the law. Their plain intent is to put off Franken's seating in the Senate as long as possible by any means necessary. . If the Minnesota appellate court has any judicial <i>cojones</i> it will issue an immediate order setting the appeal for expedited treatment – say, oral argument tomorrow at dawn. Coleman and his cabal have, of course, no real interest in the law. Their plain intent is to put off Franken's seating in the Senate as long as possible by any means necessary.
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If the Minnesota appellate court has any judicial cojones it will issue an immediate order setting the appeal for expedited treatment – say, oral argument tomorrow at dawn.

]]> By: smoothjazz2008 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/31/franken-wins-a-round/comment-page-1/#comment-54483 smoothjazz2008 Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:22:42 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=11867#comment-54483 <i>"This recount by most reports has been open and transparent since November 5th. Do you have some other information that would lead reasonable folks to suspect otherwise?"</i> . Sure, but you said only reasonable folks would be interested in it, so I'll wait till one asks me for it. What "reports" are you referring to that say that the recount has been open and transparent? "This recount by most reports has been open and transparent since November 5th. Do you have some other information that would lead reasonable folks to suspect otherwise?"
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Sure, but you said only reasonable folks would be interested in it, so I'll wait till one asks me for it. What "reports" are you referring to that say that the recount has been open and transparent?

]]> By: smoothjazz2008 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/31/franken-wins-a-round/comment-page-1/#comment-54478 smoothjazz2008 Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:13:57 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=11867#comment-54478 "There has been no "Franken case"." You're arguing semantics. "There has been no "Franken case"."

You're arguing semantics.

]]> By: NY-20 :: Swampland - TIME.com http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/31/franken-wins-a-round/comment-page-1/#comment-54444 NY-20 :: Swampland - TIME.com Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:59:49 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=11867#comment-54444 [...] you were, wondering what was going to become of all those election lawyers, now that it appears there may be an end to the recount saga in Minnesota. Could it get much closer than this one?: A mere 65 votes [...] [...] you were, wondering what was going to become of all those election lawyers, now that it appears there may be an end to the recount saga in Minnesota. Could it get much closer than this one?: A mere 65 votes [...]

]]> By: yutsano http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/31/franken-wins-a-round/comment-page-1/#comment-54423 yutsano Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:28:26 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=11867#comment-54423 <i>however it is my suspicion that there was some funny business in this recount.</i> - That and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee at Denny's. This recount by most reports has been open and transparent since November 5th. Do you have some other information that would lead reasonable folks to suspect otherwise? however it is my suspicion that there was some funny business in this recount.
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That and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee at Denny's. This recount by most reports has been open and transparent since November 5th. Do you have some other information that would lead reasonable folks to suspect otherwise?

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