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	<title>Comments on: The Same Old Recovery</title>
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		<title>By: ilikechips</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/the-same-old-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-53085</link>
		<dc:creator>ilikechips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe..you are nothing more than a fata$$ liberal partisan hack who can&#039;t handle any criticism of your Obamessiah..nobody takes you seriously because you only write pro Obama articles and partisan attacks on the evil Republicans...I can&#039;t believe Time still employs you..I think they have a job at my local pennysaver because that is all your qualified to do until you gain some objectivity and stop pandering to your messiah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe..you are nothing more than a fata$$ liberal partisan hack who can't handle any criticism of your Obamessiah..nobody takes you seriously because you only write pro Obama articles and partisan attacks on the evil Republicans...I can't believe Time still employs you..I think they have a job at my local pennysaver because that is all your qualified to do until you gain some objectivity and stop pandering to your messiah.</p>
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		<title>By: stuartzechman</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/the-same-old-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-53061</link>
		<dc:creator>stuartzechman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What &lt;a href=&quot;http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/the-same-old-recovery/#comment-53012&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul Dirks said&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What <a href="http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/the-same-old-recovery/#comment-53012" rel="nofollow">Paul Dirks said</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: lupercal5</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/the-same-old-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-53051</link>
		<dc:creator>lupercal5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im positively certain joe klein is feeling quite queasy about all the fawning over his post. we all know the correctness of his point. suffice it to say that we agree and give reasons and rationales. 
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and i don&#039;t see any reason to impugn motives to michael sherer for the post. If we discourage him to be completely honest and making an effort, he&#039;ll still have those ideas. but we&#039;ll never get a chance to refute them. he&#039;ll just bring them with him to a press conference with the same fallacious argument. He&#039;s said now a couple of times that he&#039;s not arguing the contrary of joe&#039;s point, which is the point many of us have already made. well, at the very least, he&#039;ll know his &#039;wording&#039; was poor at best and if it came to ask obama or gibbs about that, he&#039;d rephrase it. he might be making an effort to be contrarian to the DC conventional wisdom by giving republicans a fair look and bring their talking points into the conversation, but a good smackdown should suffice. his goal is honorable. it&#039;s the argument taht&#039;s faulty and needs be rectified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im positively certain joe klein is feeling quite queasy about all the fawning over his post. we all know the correctness of his point. suffice it to say that we agree and give reasons and rationales.<br />
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and i don't see any reason to impugn motives to michael sherer for the post. If we discourage him to be completely honest and making an effort, he'll still have those ideas. but we'll never get a chance to refute them. he'll just bring them with him to a press conference with the same fallacious argument. He's said now a couple of times that he's not arguing the contrary of joe's point, which is the point many of us have already made. well, at the very least, he'll know his 'wording' was poor at best and if it came to ask obama or gibbs about that, he'd rephrase it. he might be making an effort to be contrarian to the DC conventional wisdom by giving republicans a fair look and bring their talking points into the conversation, but a good smackdown should suffice. his goal is honorable. it's the argument taht's faulty and needs be rectified.</p>
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		<title>By: joyomama</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/the-same-old-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-53045</link>
		<dc:creator>joyomama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give up, Newsweek. Pack in in, Politico. There&#039;s NO bloggin&#039; like SWAMP bloggin&#039;. (channeling Ethel Merman)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give up, Newsweek. Pack in in, Politico. There's NO bloggin' like SWAMP bloggin'. (channeling Ethel Merman)</p>
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		<title>By: 53_3</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/the-same-old-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-53038</link>
		<dc:creator>53_3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rusty!
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Here&#039;s a stick!  Stick, fetch the stick!
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See, fetch the stick!  Stick, stupid, fetch the stick.
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Damn, no &lt;i&gt;wonder&lt;/i&gt; they&#039;re extinct...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rusty!<br />
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Here's a stick!  Stick, fetch the stick!<br />
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See, fetch the stick!  Stick, stupid, fetch the stick.<br />
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Damn, no <i>wonder</i> they're extinct...</p>
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		<title>By: 53_3</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/the-same-old-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-53036</link>
		<dc:creator>53_3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When&#039;s the cage match, Joe?
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Do we get to watch?  Can we tweet the event?
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How much are the tickets and who gets the ringside seats?  Can we have Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter in a no-holds-barred fact-free mudwrestle tether and belt match as the opening for the ticket?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When's the cage match, Joe?<br />
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Do we get to watch?  Can we tweet the event?<br />
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How much are the tickets and who gets the ringside seats?  Can we have Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter in a no-holds-barred fact-free mudwrestle tether and belt match as the opening for the ticket?</p>
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		<title>By: 53_3</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/the-same-old-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-53035</link>
		<dc:creator>53_3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job Joe.  Like chocksa and PD, keep hitting on all eight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job Joe.  Like chocksa and PD, keep hitting on all eight!</p>
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		<title>By: 53_3</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/the-same-old-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-53033</link>
		<dc:creator>53_3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, Rusty.  Ooooh, rusty!
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Here boy!  Kibbles and bits!  Come &#039;n get it!  Here&#039;s a bone!
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Damn.  The old saying that you can&#039;t teach an old dog new tricks &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;must&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; be true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Rusty.  Ooooh, rusty!<br />
.<br />
Here boy!  Kibbles and bits!  Come 'n get it!  Here's a bone!<br />
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Damn.  The old saying that you can't teach an old dog new tricks <i><b>must</b></i> be true!</p>
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		<title>By: rustyreturns</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/the-same-old-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-53020</link>
		<dc:creator>rustyreturns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Obama is a politician who sees the world strategically, who understands how all the pieces fit together&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;
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And, Joe is smokin&#039; some of the good stuff for sure.  Did you break down and buy a little wacky weed Joe?  
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Obama wouldn&#039;t know how to get out of the way of a freight train unless it was written on a teleprompter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>"Obama is a politician who sees the world strategically, who understands how all the pieces fit together".</i><br />
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And, Joe is smokin' some of the good stuff for sure.  Did you break down and buy a little wacky weed Joe?<br />
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Obama wouldn't know how to get out of the way of a freight train unless it was written on a teleprompter!</p>
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		<title>By: Elvis Elvisberg</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/the-same-old-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-53017</link>
		<dc:creator>Elvis Elvisberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Joe.
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I am with choska here.  The interesting issue isn&#039;t on the definition of &quot;recovery&quot; (it&#039;s pretty obvious what Obama&#039;s talking about, that he&#039;s been consistent, and that even if he were changing time horizons on us, it&#039;s nothing that the American people can&#039;t handle intellectually).
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The interesting issue here is career incentives in the political industrial complex.  Why would Scherer make such a hyperventilating post claiming that &quot;Orwell would shudder&quot; at Obama&#039;s statement?  
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Josh Marshall has written that DC is &quot;wired for Republicans&quot;-- that the media has been trained for decades to think that the Republicans are the cool, macho team and the Dems are the nerds always at risk of losing the country.  I think Scherer is trying to play by those rules, even though that attitude flies in the face of reason, policy, experience, and polling data.  
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(And for whatever reason he just has a bug up his ass about Obama.  Which is fine, better that than sycophancy, but he could at least report facts about issues rather than these faux-meta-pseudo-controversies.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Joe.<br />
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I am with choska here.  The interesting issue isn't on the definition of "recovery" (it's pretty obvious what Obama's talking about, that he's been consistent, and that even if he were changing time horizons on us, it's nothing that the American people can't handle intellectually).<br />
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The interesting issue here is career incentives in the political industrial complex.  Why would Scherer make such a hyperventilating post claiming that "Orwell would shudder" at Obama's statement?<br />
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Josh Marshall has written that DC is "wired for Republicans"-- that the media has been trained for decades to think that the Republicans are the cool, macho team and the Dems are the nerds always at risk of losing the country.  I think Scherer is trying to play by those rules, even though that attitude flies in the face of reason, policy, experience, and polling data.<br />
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(And for whatever reason he just has a bug up his ass about Obama.  Which is fine, better that than sycophancy, but he could at least report facts about issues rather than these faux-meta-pseudo-controversies.)</p>
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