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A certain newsmagazine--hint: not this one--has put Populist Rage on its cover this week and features a series of essays, several quite good, about all the fury churning out there in pitchfork land. I suppose that there is a fair amount of anger about, especially with stories like this one popping up on an almost daily basis. I certainly loved every minute of Jon Stewart's takedown of Jim Cramer. It got to the heart of the crime: selling, and insuring--and making huge, bonus-driven fortunes off on--piles of mortgages that were bound to go unpaid is a Ponzi fantasy, of Madoffian enormity, even if each of those mortgages represents an actual home that can, and will, eventually, be resold.
So, yes, people are "angry" at Wall Street. They are also "angry" at Octomom. I wonder if the depth and quality of those two rages differ--or is this all just a television show? I mean, how many demonstrations, how many economic riots, have there been? There have been real free-for-alls, featuring real violence and bloodshed, in places like China, where the level of societal unfairness and desperation makes our own not-insignificant inequities seem like a workers' paradise. There used to be economic riots and marches here--back in the Great Depression, and further back in the populist era of the late 19th century. But none lately. There doesn't even seem to be significant movement in the polls, which are our own, latter-day way of marching on Washington.
There is a real crisis out there. It has existed for a while. It has been spreading slowly as factory after factory has shut down, as the gap between rich and poor ballooned, as the rich found ways to get richer betting on exotic financial instruments with all the economic substance of a roulette wheel, as the middle class found it harder to pay for college, for health care, for gasoline.
But most of the anger we see and hear comes from people who are paid to be angry, on cue, on cable television--as opposed to people with actual grievacnes. Suddenly, the White House press corps goes barking mad over the AIG Bonuses. It is said that the bonuses are an aspect of the bust that the "public" can understand; in truth, the bonuses are an aspect of the bust that reporters can understand. Suddenly, the Obama Administration has a "crisis." The President has to go on television and act as if he's angry, even though he knows these bonuses are the tiniest outcropping of outrageousness. (I mean, AIG insured mortgage-backed instruments that any qualified CPA could have seen were as solid as a soap bubble and thereby came close to bringing down the world's financial system--that's outrageous.)
The problem with outrage is that it occludes vision. Today Geithner proposes a bank bailout plan. The markets love it--the Dow is up 350 points as I write--and so we can move on. No more calls for Tim's head; the bank thing actually may get straightened out. Uh...so where's the next Octomom? Does Novamom lurk? What's A-Rod up to this week? The trouble is, Geithner's plan--if it works--is only the beginning. We need a new set of rules to prevent the wizards from short-sheeting our pension money. We need an informed public to stay vigilant and make sure banking lobbyists don't shred the thing in committee. (New York Senator Chuck Schumer, before he got so outraged last week, stood athwart a plan to have hedge fund managers pay regular tax rates, rather than capital gains, on their management fees.)
If you want to be angry about something, get pissed at a media culture that goes beserk about bonuses one week and forgets all about them the next. And be worried, quite worried, about a society for whom anger is a form of entertainment.
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Nah, I still want Geithner's head. Now he's trying to give my money to bunch of hedge funds.
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"It is said that the bonuses are an aspect of the bust that the "public" can understand; in truth, the bonuses are an aspect of the bust that reporters can understand."
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For a second there, Mr. Klein sounded just like a blogger.It's not Geithner's head I want. Yet. It's Joseph Cassano's.
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I remember back during the Rodney King riots in LA the media spent a bunch of time talking about "black rage" and how it was being violently expressed in the civil unrest.
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About two years later I read a really interesting article talking about "white rage" and how it was expressed nationwide in response to the riots and the assault on Reginald Denny.
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The piece talked about how "white rage" (probably more accurately defined as "middle-class rage" now) wasn't expressed and purged all at once in a big violent display. It was expressed over time, in the voting booth and with peoples' wallets. Right now the really rich dorkbags that caused this whole mess are getting bailed out and throwing enough smoke and babbleygook to fool some of the people some of the time. But it's not going to last much longer, if it even still is working.
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You're going to see this "middle class rage" expressed in tighter regulations, smaller banks, and higher tax rates. It might take some time to get the message across, but for the twenty years there won't be an easier way for a politician to burnish his "people" credentials then by going after wall street and corporate fat cats.
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The media might have a short attention span, and the public too, but this is one of those "them people are bad" shifts that last a generation. The backlash is still just beginning to form. -
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If you want to be angry about something, get pissed at a media culture that goes beserk about bonuses one week and forgets all about them the next.
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Media bashing with Joe Klein? Sign me up.
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CNBC is an embarrassment. But can we take this fight to the broader media? How can people who are paid to discuss politics and public affairs constantly use the DJIA as a sole measure of "the economy"? Do people like David Gregory and Chris Matthews, whose schtick relies heavily on the pose of 'Regular Guy', really not know that they are in the top 1% of the socio-economic pyramid?
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And to broaden the discussion still further: EJ Dionne has a nice take down of the Beltway Lemmings' and the Obama-Doing-Too-Much talking point they're all feeding on. -
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"We need an informed public to stay vigilant and make sure banking lobbyists don't shred the thing in committee."
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And through which mechanism will the public be informed? You aren't suggesting that the same media that ignored the building crisis for decades is now capable of informing the public are you? Watch the Stewart/Cramer stuff again, I don't think you got the point Stewart was trying to make.
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No the rage is there but the moment's not right. People aren't going to run out and start burning things down, but they're thinking about it. There is a tipping point though, and when reached, it will happen bigger and faster than you imagined it could. -
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Well finally, commenters have been screaming about this kind of destructuive, childish behavior for months to no avail. It's gratifying to see that someone gets it but I wish Joe Klein didn't just point a finger at Newsweek and the national press corp because there are also a number of reporters here at Time willing to engage in the virtual food fight at the expense of our nation.
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I like this one, Joe -- thanks!
And thanks for keeping your eye on the Middle East, although once again by comment count you can see that that's just not where our minds are at these days. -
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It is said that the bonuses are an aspect of the bust that the "public" can understand; in truth, the bonuses are an aspect of the bust that reporters can understand.
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If you want to be angry about something, get pissed at a media culture that goes beserk about bonuses one week and forgets all about them the next.
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Can I get a hallelujah!
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The situation we find ourselves in has been developing over YEARS. Both the income disparity and the lack of underlying value behind investment schemes have been brewing for years but report on it would have required research and risked censure.
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So much easier to go for the easy hit. Even today, people are desparately struggling to understand what is going on and the need for repsonsible reporting is at an apex, instead we just get fingertpointing and speculation. I won't even begin to address the utter distraction that comes from examining every utterance the President speaks, hoping for a slip to pounce upon.
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oops that's destructive -- preview is my friend
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I think the idea that the recipients of these bonuses will be suffer in some serious way is an indication of some level of rage. Not an entertaining version, either.
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Joe Klein:
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Today Geithner proposes a bank bailout plan. The markets love it--the Dow is up 350 points as I write--and so we can move on. No more calls for Tim's head; the bank thing actually may get straightened out.
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What?
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That's it?
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That's your analysis of the situation?
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That's what you have to say about the plan?
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Aren't you conflating real concern --and yes, even outrage-- over Geithner's plan with bullsh*t, business-as-usual outrage over petty nothing, rightist political games and angry, stupid ordinary people who don't understand the world like you, Joe Klein?
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Isn't that the same kind of conflation that you did in the run up to the war? Didn't you make the mistake of conflating the drum-playing, dreadlocked ANSWER semi-pro protesters with real dissent that found a real reason to be angry?
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Look, you've got the same people who were right all along about the war, the people who said over and over again "No, don't do it! Don't do it! If you vote for that resolution, we're going to war! Damn! They voted for it. Now you've got to...Damn it! He's going to war! Sh*t! We're at war, now..." --those people-- telling you that there's a big problem with this scheme.
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If you can't understand what they're saying, if you're not going to even make an effort to understand what the problems are, then it's truly dishonest and wrong for you to throw the "right all along" people into the same opinion trash can as the "porkulus" people and your vapid, personality and scandal obsessed colleagues.
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Unmix your message, and get to what's really important.
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Don't tell us that reporters are to blame for focusing on the petty outrage --and then tell us not to worry our pretty little heads about what Geithner is proposing. That's ridiculous.
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There's plenty of good points you have to make about what's happening, but if you're not going to make the effort we're all trying to make out here in commentary-land to understand what the government is proposing to do, then you need to confine yourself to those points, Joe Klein. Don't tell us to "move on". That's not how democracy works.
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It's not our fault that it's only us out here in commentary-land who are taking this thing seriously, Joe. It's not our fault that we can't get a real debate on cable news to save our lives.
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Why don't you talk to Meet The Press' producers about having a real panel of economists on instead of CNBC's Erin Burnett. Better yet, talk to them about getting an informed discussion moderator, instead of David Gregory.
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It's not our fault that we, the outraged, have to be the ones to be having the serious discussion over our future all by ourselves. Outrage over Geithner's plan and the outrage on cable news programs are not the same thing, and it's dishonest of you to say so.
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...and, by the way, you're not helping when you write
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It got to the heart of the crime: selling, and insuring--and making huge, bonus-driven fortunes off on--piles of mortgages that were bound to go unpaid is a Ponzi fantasy, of Madoffian enormity, even if each of those mortgages represents an actual home that can, and will, eventually, be resold.
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, and leave readers with the impression that "those mortgages" are actually what will be bought with Federal Reserve money by the hedge funds at Geithner's "auction". That's a patently false impression you're giving people with that misleading statement, so stop commenting on the plan if you can't be bothered to know what's in it. -
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I'm a lot more concerned about the cynical exploitation of that rage (actually, probably better described as cumulative frustration) for the sake of votes, campaign contributions and/or ratings points. Rage is just our Angry Shiny Object, and if that's all a pol or a reporter can contribute we don't really have enough unemployment yet.
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It got to the heart of the crime: selling, and insuring--and making huge, bonus-driven fortunes off on--piles of mortgages that were bound to go unpaid is a Ponzi fantasy, of Madoffian enormity, even if each of those mortgages represents an actual home that can, and will, eventually, be resold.
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Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I still don't understand why Joe Klein thinks it matters that "actual homes" still retain some value. So what? If I bet on a horse to win the Kentucky Derby and it comes in last, my wagers are 100% worthless. It is no comfort to say that the horse still retains some breeding value. Who cares? I, the bettor, won't see a penny of that income. -
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Oops, looks like SZ beat me to the punch.
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I just can't get over this:
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"the bank thing actually may get straightened out"
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Yes, if capable citizens make an effort to understand what the "bank thing" is, and don't leave the job of knowing entirely to technocrats who may or may not see "an economy in recovery" in the same terms as the rest of us. -
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I'm sorry SZ but I think you've missed the point of this post to focus on the issue you want to talk about. Now granted, the issue you bring up about the banks, the plan and the overall economy may be right I have no idea, but this post speaks to the media echo chamber that distorts the importance of frivolous issues like the bonuses and smile-gate and ignores major issues that we need to discuss.
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We haven't had many opportunities to discuss the role the media has played in tanking our economy, as well as their insistence on being part of the problem going forward. Frankly, I'd prefer it if no one changed the subject, even if the issue they use is more important than the usual fare used by the media to shift our attention. -
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"We need an informed public to stay vigilant and make sure banking lobbyists don't shred the thing in committee."
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Great Idea, Joe. Let's see… if only there were some institution intended to inform the public instead of writing about, say, songs posted on YouTube. -
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I am going to post the very abbreviated version of a comment I made earlier on Ballon-Juice
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In this program one of two things will happen. Either the toxic assets will end up being worthless, the hedgefunds will default on the loan and thus giving up the money they intially put up and the government meaning us in this instance will take a bath. Or the hedgefunds will find a way to make money off the toxic assets in which case the governement again meaning us will join in the profits to the tune of 80%. That the hedgefund crowd aren't putting up as much as the government (we) are doesn't mean they won't have a vested interest in turning in a profit. I doubt if they will want to just throw good money after bad even if comparatively its not near as much as the government (we) put in. In the meantime the toxic assets will be off the books of the big banks and lending should resume shortly thereafter. The fact that hedgefunders will make money off the deal doesn't concern me since if they make money then so will we. What concerns me is that instead they won't be able to pull it off and we all end up taking a bath. Still in the end if it spurs lending again I personally think the risk is worth it. -
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I'm very sorry, Dee, but if he had left out "Today Geithner proposes a bank bailout plan. The markets love it--the Dow is up 350 points as I write--and so we can move on. No more calls for Tim's head; the bank thing actually may get straightened out.", I'd be jumping up and down for joy. You must know this!
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He's telling us that an angry response to the plan is as irresponsible as the stupid Newsweek "story".
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I don't want to talk about the plan if Joe doesn't, so I'll stop right there, unless the conversation starts to go something like:
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"Joe Klein is so right! I hate the media! Why can't they just leave Geithner alone to fix everything, and stop all of this petty outrage!"
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, in which case I truly believe debate may be necessary.
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With lightning speed and lockstep unanimity, opinion-making elites jointly embraced and are now delivering the same message about the public rage triggered this week by the AIG bonus scandal: This scandal is insignificant. It's just a distraction. And, most important of all, public anger is unhelpful and must be contained or, failing that, ignored.
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This anti-anger consensus among our political elites is exactly wrong. The public rage we're finally seeing is long, long overdue, and appears to be the only force with both the ability and will to impose meaningful checks on continued kleptocratic pillaging and deep-seated corruption in virtually every branch of our establishment institutions. The worst possible thing that could happen now is for this collective rage to subside and for the public to return to its long-standing state of blissful ignorance over what the establishment is actually doing.
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It makes perfect sense that those who are satisfied with the prevailing order -- because it rewards them in numerous ways -- are desperate to pacify public fury. Thus we find unanimous decrees that public calm (i.e., quiet) be restored. It's a universal dynamic that elites want to keep the masses in a state of silent, disengaged submission, all the better if the masses stay convinced that the elites have their best interests at heart and their welfare is therefore advanced by allowing elites -- the Experts -- to work in peace on our pressing problems, undisrupted and "undistracted" by the need to placate primitive public sentiments.
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While that framework is arguably reasonable where the establishment class is competent, honest, and restrained, what we have had -- and have -- is exactly the opposite: a political class and financial elite that is rotted to the core and running amok. We've had far too little public rage given the magnitude of this rot, not an excess of rage. What has been missing more than anything else is this: fear on the part of the political and financial class of the public which they have been systematically defrauding and destroying..
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people are "angry" at Wall Street. They are also "angry" at Octomom. I wonder if the depth and quality of those two rages differ
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um, yes, I would say they differ vastly. I guess if your trying to single out AIG bonuses you may be closer to a point, but Wall Street as a target for anger and frustration is understandable. A lot of people don't regularly play with stocks besides building on their SEPs or 401ks. For them, Wall Street represents the complicated longer explanation for events that ended up costing them half-a-lifetime's worth of hard work and savings. I think that's a bit more understandable target for outrage than some random woman with 8 babies. -
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Good post Joe.
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Nora O'donnell really pwnd Judd Gregg today. Great to see him so uncomfortable. Really worth watching if anyone knows how to get a clip. -
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uggg, your = you're (c'mon spell check, get smarter!)
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"...What makes this rage "populist"? This is ordinary rage, rational and focused. The lead pitchfork bearers, after all, are people like New York Times business columnist Joe Nocera, who wrote that AIG's Financial Practices Group was guilty of a "scam" at which "we should be furious." You might more accurately call that common sense.
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Casting my eye over the broader sweep of history, though, I no longer fear populism. The habit of messily dividing the world into "the people" and "the elite"—whether it's left calling out right, or right calling out left—is distinctively, ineluctably American. It's not going away. And there's much more to it than the name-calling of angry political factions. It is the governing folk wisdom of a nation without an inherited aristocracy, distrustful of privilege that is not "earned." It is our American common sense."
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--Rick Perlstein (via Digby)
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Common sense would tell you that people are outraged by the entire debacle being foisted on them by an elite class that has been relentlessly grabbing out-sized rewards for screwing the working class for decades, not just AIG bonuses. But this is a post about the media so I digress.
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So I'm thinking of coining a new media acronym: OMBMFM, which stands for Of the Media, By the Media, For the Media. What do you think -
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Stuart, my (frazzled and incomplete) understanding of The Plan is that it stands on two legs. One is an auction in which the government assumes all of the downside risk for "loans". The other is an auction in which the government fronts 50% of the money for "securities" (read: bet on a horse to win the Kentucky Derby).
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I didn't get what percentage of the taxpayers' moolah is going into each of these pots. But the former, anyway, sounds to me pretty much like "an actual home" (or small business, or whatever) "that can and will eventually be resold".
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Obviously, the auctions are designed to force the garbage to be sold at well above current market value, and most likely at well above value, period. And, grating as it is, the banksters and hedgsters pocket the difference. But it seems to me that, in the case of the securities, investors won't be willing to pay more than 20 cents for a face value of a dollar that they believe is worth only 10. And the banks won't be willing to sell at those prices. In other words, for the securities auctions, if Geithner is way way off about the real worth of the paper, the result will be a no-op. So we have downside risk, but past a certain (large) amount, it's limited by the sellers' will to balk.
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Meanwhile, the loans are by and large backed by some kind or other of actual collateral. So again, the taxpayers will recoup at least something.
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The upshot of which sounds to my uneducated ear like The Plan is sure to be inefficient, but unlikely to be nothing more than money poured down a rathole. -
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Hey SZ I'm all for debate on the plans because my fundamental question still remains, I need to know who benefits and how before I can figure out whether its a good idea. But I still want to trash the media because I believe the reason we got here and the reason I don't know which plan is best is because they are too busy asking what Obama's laughter meant.
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