Obama's Stimuli
Obama today is expected to give a “major” speech on the economy this afternoon at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, probably the first of many to convince “some [that] might be skeptical of the plan,” as he says in excerpts e-mailed to reporters this morning. Just when we thought the eternal campaign was over… But I digress. Obama cautions that unless his proposed $775 billion stimulus is passed, the economy “could become dramatically worse” to the tune of double-digit unemployment
The president-elect repeats his warning of short-term deficits. “There is no doubt that the cost of this plan will be considerable. It will certainly add to the budget deficit in the short-term,” he says, adding, “but at this particular moment, only government can provide the short-term boost necessary to lift us from a recession this deep and severe. Only government can break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy.”
For the naysayers, Obama pledges to cross the aisle in finding the best programs. “Our government has already spent a good deal of money, but we haven't yet seen that translate into more jobs or higher incomes or renewed confidence in our economy,” he says. “That's why the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan won't just throw money at our problems – we'll invest in what works. The true test of the policies we'll pursue won't be whether they're Democratic or Republican ideas, but whether they create jobs, grow our economy.” Here's my story out today about what is on the table so far on the stimulus. Obama may be talking to Republicans in person but those staffers who worked through the Holidays were, I'm told, all Democrats. “This was a Dems-only process,” one Senate GOP aide told me. We still haven't gotten the details of the bill yet but so far there hasn't been much in this stimulus that's new – beyond his campaign promises – or much work with the other side.
For full excerpts see after the jump.
Excerpts:
I don't believe it's too late to change course, but it will be if we don't take dramatic action as soon as possible. If nothing is done, this recession could linger for years. The unemployment rate could reach double digits. Our economy could fall $1 trillion short of its full capacity, which translates into more than $12,000 in lost income for a family of four. We could lose a generation of potential and promise, as more young Americans are forced to forgo dreams of college or the chance to train for the jobs of the future. And our nation could lose the competitive edge that has served as a foundation for our strength and standing in the world.
In short, a bad situation could become dramatically worse.
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There is no doubt that the cost of this plan will be considerable. It will certainly add to the budget deficit in the short-term. But equally certain are the consequences of doing too little or nothing at all, for that will lead to an even greater deficit of jobs, incomes, and confidence in our economy. It is true that we cannot depend on government alone to create jobs or long-term growth, but at this particular moment, only government can provide the short-term boost necessary to lift us from a recession this deep and severe. Only government can break the vicious cycles that are crippling our economy – where a lack of spending leads to lost jobs which leads to even less spending; where an inability to lend and borrow stops growth and leads to even less credit.
That is why we need to act boldly and act now to reverse these cycles. That's why we need to put money in the pockets of the American people, create new jobs, and invest in our future. That's why we need to re-start the flow of credit and restore the rules of the road that will ensure a crisis like this never happens again.
That work begins with this plan – a plan I am confident will save or create at least three million jobs over the next few years. It is not just another public works program. It's a plan that recognizes both the paradox and the promise of this moment – the fact that there are millions of Americans trying to find work, even as, all around the country, there is so much work to be done. That's why we'll invest in priorities like energy and education; health care and a new infrastructure that are necessary to keep us strong and competitive in the 21st century. That's why the overwhelming majority of the jobs created will be in the private sector, while our plan will save the public sector jobs of teachers, cops, firefighters and others who provide vital services.
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I understand that some might be skeptical of this plan. Our government has already spent a good deal of money, but we haven't yet seen that translate into more jobs or higher incomes or renewed confidence in our economy. That's why the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan won't just throw money at our problems – we'll invest in what works. The true test of the policies we'll pursue won't be whether they're Democratic or Republican ideas, but whether they create jobs, grow our economy, and put the American Dream within reach of the American people.
Instead of politicians doling out money behind a veil of secrecy, decisions about where we invest will be made transparently, and informed by independent experts wherever possible. Every American will be able to hold Washington accountable for these decisions by going online to see how and where their tax dollars are being spent. And as I announced yesterday, we will launch an unprecedented effort to eliminate unwise and unnecessary spending that has never been more unaffordable for our nation and our children's future than it is right now.
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Now, this recovery plan alone will not solve all the problems that led us into this crisis. We must also work with the same sense of urgency to stabilize and repair the financial system we all depend on. That means using our full arsenal of tools to get credit flowing again to families and business, while restoring confidence in our markets. It means launching a sweeping effort to address the foreclosure crisis so that we can keep responsible families in their homes. It means preventing the catastrophic failure of financial institutions whose collapse could endanger the entire economy, but only with maximum protections for taxpayers and a clear understanding that government support for any company is an extraordinary action that must come with significant restrictions on the firms that receive support. And it means reforming a weak and outdated regulatory system so that we can better withstand financial shocks and better protect consumers, investors, and businesses from the reckless greed and risk-taking that must never endanger our prosperity again.
No longer can we allow Wall Street wrongdoers to slip through regulatory cracks. No longer can we allow special interests to put their thumbs on the economic scales. No longer can we allow the unscrupulous lending and borrowing that leads only to destructive cycles of bubble and bust.
It is time to set a new course for this economy, and that change must begin now. We should have an open and honest discussion about this recovery plan in the days ahead, but I urge Congress to move as quickly as possible on behalf of the American people. For every day we wait or point fingers or drag our feet, more Americans will lose their jobs. More families will lose their savings. More dreams will be deferred and denied. And our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse.
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I actually think that we should be doing deficit spending but we have been in deficit spending mode for the last 8 years... their is a point where the increase in the money supply actually increases the problem rather then helps. We are very rapidly reaching that point. We should increase spending in infrastructure and health care and education but we have to cut a lot of fluff to do it and I lack the hope that President-elect Obama is willing to make those cuts. I don't know I guess i'm too much of a pessimist. On the plus side it won't be very hard to tell which one of us was right, it should be fairly self evident in 2-3 years.
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What about at some point when this financial crisis abates raising taxes to pay down the debt? Of course that can never ever be done.
which is one of the problems with obama's tax cut strategy. A tax cut makes no sense in terms of an economic recovery, because much (if not most) of it will not be spent, and there is no guarantee that what is spend with benefit the US economy. My suggestion is a $500 federal "gift card" that must be used in six months time, and can only be used to purchase american-made goods.
But the fact is that taxes on the wealthy should be instituted to pay for this stimulus plan -- specifically, taxes on assets. The Bush years saw an even greater concentration of wealth at the top of economic ladder, and there is no good reason why the stimulus can't be funded by tapping into that wealth.
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Some of this discussion would make sense if you were talking about the family budget or balancing your own check book. However, the economic health of this country relies as much on psychology as it does on assets and liabilities. As for tax cuts, as long as they are targeted as Obama discussed during the campaign toward small businesses that make new hires and middle class families who are currently living pay check to pay check so they are going to spend it because they have no choice. As for the rich, eventually the Bush tax cuts will expire and in the mean time raising their taxes during economic uncertainty would deliver a psychological blow that could discourage them from reinvesting their assets once the economy is stimulated. Please give Obama a chance, after all the only really prosperous times (for regular folks) we've had in this country since Reagan has been under Clinton who began his presidency with an economic stimulus package.
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Maybe it's as simple as getting all the bureaucrats to clean out their desks.
NEW YORK (AP) — Prosecutors say Bernard Madoff had $173M in signed checks in office desk at time of arrest.
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Here is a question I posed to a neocon friend of mine last night that I am wondering if philippe or another "fiscal conservative" can answer for me. When in the history of this country has the free market corrected itself?
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That means no tax cuts nor raises, no bailouts or influxes of federal money, and no rate cuts by the Fed.
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I will wait for as long as it takes for you to answer. -
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JNS
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If you have the answer you can weigh in too.
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If nobody has that answer then I want to know why Republicans saying it can happen and why talking heads/media folks keep repeating it. -
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So we can't tax the rich because they would feel bad about it but its okay to render the poor destitute since they are living from hand to mouth? If you are middle class and you are living from paycheck to paycheck then you are doing something wrong. You should stop wasting your money on frivolous things. Before you jump on me I agree that employee salaries have not increased at all proportional to the increase in productivity and this has been going on since the 70's so even if the company does better the employees nowadays tend to do worse. This is something I really think Obama should address. Profitable businesses are currently laying off employees to become more profitable because the only people that currently matter are the people that hold the stocks or collect the profits. We currently don't lack money to give out loans to people who it makes sense to make loans too but we are out of money to give loans to people who should not receive loans in the first place, which from what I'm seing of Obama's proposal is exactly what we are doing.
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As for the rich, eventually the Bush tax cuts will expire and in the mean time raising their taxes during economic uncertainty would deliver a psychological blow that could discourage them from reinvesting their assets once the economy is stimulated.
puh-leez. The rich will continue to move their money around to where they think they can make the most profit -- "psychology" has nothing to do with it, because very very few rich people manage their own money.
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One of the paradoxes confronting Obama is that by relying upon massive deficits to fund the stimulus, he reduces the amount of capital available for "job creating investments in the private sector" because the Federal government will be borrowing record amounts of money (and it appears that the Chinese are finally getting antsy about funding US deficits -- and this will be especially true since imports from China are expected to decline significantly.)
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Right now, the federal government can borrow at very low rates because fears of a complete economic collapse has people parking assets in "safe" Federal bonds. But the moment the economy begins to recover and that fear dissipates, the market for Federal debt is going to decline significantly, resulting in higher interest rates that will threaten the economic recovery.
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Its a vicious circle -- and the only way to prevent it from happening is by finding additional sources of income to finance the stimulus package. (In addition to taxing wealth, "sales taxes" on short term financial transactions should be instituted... not only will that raise funds, but it will refocus the financial sector on longer term investments instead of depending upon profits from arbitrage.) -
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The crooks who perpetrated this economic crisis should be charged with Treason. ...................
http://thefiresidepost.com/2009/01/08/bernie-madoff-traitor-turncoat-judas-treason/
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Philippe: perhaps you should read this post at the curious capitalist and then read the piece in the Times.
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"Even Marty Feldstein, the champion of conservative economic thought who was a top adviser to President Reagan, has noted that lower interest rates aren't getting the job done because credit markets are screwy and that tax cuts only get you so far, so the "heavy lifting" will have to be done by increased government spending. (Quick historical recap: this hasn't been the consensus in the field of economics since the 1960s.)" -- Barbare Kriviat -
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Sorry link is added here:
http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2009/01/08/obama-talks-stimulus-he-hopes-you-are-listening/
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Just when we thought the eternal campaign was over…
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I thought it was Karl Rove who pushed the idea of the neverending campaign.
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And as for the GOP staffer, I hope you played him a tiny fiddle. -
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Yesterday, Time magazine saluted the clueless socialist John Kenneth Galbraith. Today, Time magazine salutes the clueless socialist Barack Hussein Obama. Which clueless socialist will Time magazine hail tomorrow?
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Andy, thanks for the link, I guess the part I'm really arguing is that we are propping up companies that should go bankrupt for the sake of increasing consumer confidence. Now i don't believe that a solution is to bunker down and hide the money under the countries mattress, I sort of feel that we are trying to avoid the consequences of the recession which at this point will hit us either way instead of trying to cushion the fall. I don't actually agree that much for the small business tax cuts that are 40% of this proposals, like i said before I think the health care reform and education and infrastructure spending is well spent and should be increased. I guess i will have to wait and see how wisely President-elect Obama " we'll invest in what work" policy actually functions. I guess I don't have much hope that the government will actually be able to make financially sound decisions when investors are currently unable to, instead of funding whatever is in their district and lines their pockets.
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textee
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Im going old school
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"Yo Mama"
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sgwiteinfla:
That is funny. Please be careful, though. That "Yo Mama" crack might get you accused of being "racist".
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textee
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I have a race card, Im covered. But thanks lol -
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Is it just me, or is textee's posting kinda joyless here? Like he's just doing it to pay the bills or something?
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Cliff
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Its textee is like one of those boxers that Ali used to prop up for extra rounds even after he had beaten them silly. I can imagine textee waking up in a cold sweat every morning after having a dream with Obama asking him/her over and over "Whats my name?" -
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If he's getting paid for posting pointless drivel, he must work for Rick Stengel.
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$775 billion: Expected cost of the economic stimulus plan.
$1.2 trillion: Projected federal deficit for 2009.
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.Political priorities by the numbers. Read more about it on the Borgen Project website (borgenproject.org)
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Okay, guys and gals, you need to remember the government is run on percentages. Taxes are computed and added to the price of, say gas, with a percentage.
Now, Mr. X has lost his high-paying job. He loses his house. He is on unemployment.
Well, Mr. X is now taking money out of the system and not paying into the system.
Mr. X takes a lower paying job.
He is not taking money out of the system in the form of unemployment benefits, but paying into the system. He will be paying state and federal taxes.
This is why we need the stimulus package. New jobs and less money being paid out by the state and federal governments.
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