Comments on: Caught On the Tape http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/07/caught-on-the-tape/ A blog about politics. Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:24:32 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: FlownOver http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/07/caught-on-the-tape/comment-page-2/#comment-32717 FlownOver Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:43:54 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9498#comment-32717 Alternate Cornyn: "We have no idea whether there's anything wrong here, but the media have taught us to claim there must be a story until the subject proves otherwise." Reporters should ask Cornyn – and then themselves – do you have any evidence of wrongdoing, or are you just trying to create an issue through sheer speculation? Alternate Cornyn: "We have no idea whether there's anything wrong here, but the media have taught us to claim there must be a story until the subject proves otherwise."

Reporters should ask Cornyn – and then themselves – do you have any evidence of wrongdoing, or are you just trying to create an issue through sheer speculation?

]]> By: formerlyjames http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/07/caught-on-the-tape/comment-page-2/#comment-32643 formerlyjames Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:51:45 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9498#comment-32643 Oh, Bobby Rush. I went to the end of the thread and thought the discussion was about Idiot Rush. Nevermind. Oh, Bobby Rush. I went to the end of the thread and thought the discussion was about Idiot Rush. Nevermind.

]]> By: Dee in Columbia MD http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/07/caught-on-the-tape/comment-page-2/#comment-32627 Dee in Columbia MD Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:15:18 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9498#comment-32627 Gunny, SG -- I don't disagree that Rush interjected race in a way that was deliberate and manipulative. It is the term I object to -- it has become so commonplace that I felt I needed to remind folks that its offensive. My hopes is that pundits in the media will stop using the term as if it is okay. Everytime I hear it it's like nails on a chalkboard. Gunny, SG -- I don't disagree that Rush interjected race in a way that was deliberate and manipulative. It is the term I object to -- it has become so commonplace that I felt I needed to remind folks that its offensive. My hopes is that pundits in the media will stop using the term as if it is okay. Everytime I hear it it's like nails on a chalkboard.

]]> By: sgwhiteinfla http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/07/caught-on-the-tape/comment-page-2/#comment-32626 sgwhiteinfla Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:04:48 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9498#comment-32626 Dee . I understand your point, truly I do. But if there was ever a situation where the term race card ever applied its with Bobby Rush's ass in this situation. If you want it to be called race baiting instead of playing the race card thats cool, but I just saw this ignant mofo on my tee vee talking about Burris being turned away reminded him of people having dogs sicked on them by the police. I honestly wished I was within arms reach of him so I could choke him out for trying to set black folks back 20 years. Dee
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I understand your point, truly I do. But if there was ever a situation where the term race card ever applied its with Bobby Rush's ass in this situation. If you want it to be called race baiting instead of playing the race card thats cool, but I just saw this ignant mofo on my tee vee talking about Burris being turned away reminded him of people having dogs sicked on them by the police. I honestly wished I was within arms reach of him so I could choke him out for trying to set black folks back 20 years.

]]> By: gysgt213 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/07/caught-on-the-tape/comment-page-2/#comment-32622 gysgt213 Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:31:07 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9498#comment-32622 Dee-Your point is well taken. However, Mr. Rush decided to go before the national media and compare Burris being turned away by the senate to dogs attacking children at Selma, slaves on plantations or whatever and that's deplorable and makes a complete mockery of history, actual events and the struggles for human and civil rights. Dee-Your point is well taken. However, Mr. Rush decided to go before the national media and compare Burris being turned away by the senate to dogs attacking children at Selma, slaves on plantations or whatever and that's deplorable and makes a complete mockery of history, actual events and the struggles for human and civil rights.

]]> By: Dee in Columbia MD http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/07/caught-on-the-tape/comment-page-2/#comment-32615 Dee in Columbia MD Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:06:46 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9498#comment-32615 Hey Gunny-- . I don't mean to pick on you because obviously you are not alone in your use of the term "playing the race card," but this term is so offensive I have to speak out about it no matter who is using it including other people of color. Somehow we have forgotten that the term began as a means to delegitimize the experience of people of color. If we are truly going to have a post racial society it has to begin with respecting each other and perhaps it could start with understanding that this terms implies that race is something that can be put away or pulled out when convenient to gain an advantage -- how demeaning to a people who live each day trying to navigate a terrain where the dominant culture engages in a respect for one another that they reserve solely for each other which more often than not makes you suspect or at least odd man out in any given situation. Yes, sometimes we get it wrong, and attribute mistreatment to race when it is possibly for some other reason. But the term race card trivializes this agony so completely I feel compelled to speak out against it use and want to put this in the category of other terms we deem not fit for polite company. Hey Gunny--
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I don't mean to pick on you because obviously you are not alone in your use of the term "playing the race card," but this term is so offensive I have to speak out about it no matter who is using it including other people of color. Somehow we have forgotten that the term began as a means to delegitimize the experience of people of color. If we are truly going to have a post racial society it has to begin with respecting each other and perhaps it could start with understanding that this terms implies that race is something that can be put away or pulled out when convenient to gain an advantage -- how demeaning to a people who live each day trying to navigate a terrain where the dominant culture engages in a respect for one another that they reserve solely for each other which more often than not makes you suspect or at least odd man out in any given situation. Yes, sometimes we get it wrong, and attribute mistreatment to race when it is possibly for some other reason. But the term race card trivializes this agony so completely I feel compelled to speak out against it use and want to put this in the category of other terms we deem not fit for polite company.

]]> By: jcapan http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/07/caught-on-the-tape/comment-page-2/#comment-32612 jcapan Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:33:28 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9498#comment-32612 Posts on pg. 1: - 3 on Blago 1 on a Plumber 1 on J. Wright 1 on Obama as a food critic 1 on airline discrimination - Dare I say it!? Michael Scherer (along with Joe) is the only person addressing anything of substance of late. Post-election, I knew it was going to get bad, but JFC people--you're making me miss AMC's depth! Posts on pg. 1:
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3 on Blago
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1 on J. Wright
1 on Obama as a food critic
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Dare I say it!? Michael Scherer (along with Joe) is the only person addressing anything of substance of late. Post-election, I knew it was going to get bad, but JFC people--you're making me miss AMC's depth!

]]> By: gysgt213 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/07/caught-on-the-tape/comment-page-2/#comment-32608 gysgt213 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:47:58 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9498#comment-32608 What Jane said: . I want to play poker with Harry Reid. Really I do. . Rather than call for a special election in Illinois, Reid sends a letter to Blagojevich signed by everyone in the Democratic caucus asking him to step down. They assert that they will not seat anyone he appoints. . Harumph. . Blago wipes his ass with it and appoints Burris anyway. . Burris holds a press conference and announces he will be in D.C. on Tuesday to be sworn in with the rest of the Senate. Bobby Rush plays the race card. Reid does not see the handwriting on the wall. . He counters by calling Secretary of State Jesse White, who has already said he won't sign Burris's certification, and encourages him. What White is doing is most certainly outside his legal authority -- the Secretary of State doesn't have veto power. But Reid not only gives White a high five, he tells him they'll use this to keep Burris from being seated. . Then he smugly chortles about how he'll manipulate Senate procedure and punt to the Rules Committee, and assures everyone that they will drag things out for months if necessary until Blago is impeached and his successor appoints someone else. And he does it in the press. . Upon reading this, Cornyn announces that Franken won't have a signed certification either, and the GOP will use it to keep him from being seated, . Rest at the link. . http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/i-want-to-play-poker-with-harry-reid/ What Jane said:
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I want to play poker with Harry Reid. Really I do.
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Rather than call for a special election in Illinois, Reid sends a letter to Blagojevich signed by everyone in the Democratic caucus asking him to step down. They assert that they will not seat anyone he appoints.
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Harumph.
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Blago wipes his ass with it and appoints Burris anyway.
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Burris holds a press conference and announces he will be in D.C. on Tuesday to be sworn in with the rest of the Senate. Bobby Rush plays the race card. Reid does not see the handwriting on the wall.
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He counters by calling Secretary of State Jesse White, who has already said he won't sign Burris's certification, and encourages him. What White is doing is most certainly outside his legal authority -- the Secretary of State doesn't have veto power. But Reid not only gives White a high five, he tells him they'll use this to keep Burris from being seated.
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Then he smugly chortles about how he'll manipulate Senate procedure and punt to the Rules Committee, and assures everyone that they will drag things out for months if necessary until Blago is impeached and his successor appoints someone else. And he does it in the press.
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Upon reading this, Cornyn announces that Franken won't have a signed certification either, and the GOP will use it to keep him from being seated,
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Rest at the link.
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http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/i-want-to-play-poker-with-harry-reid/

]]> By: plukasiak http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/07/caught-on-the-tape/comment-page-2/#comment-32607 plukasiak Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:47:32 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9498#comment-32607 <i>All of a sudden now every pundit and MSM flack has amnesia and thinks that Fitzgerald asking for additional time is an indication that he has a weak case. </i> well, Fitz arrested Blago, which means that he had to have grounds for an arrest. The fact that Fitz hasn't come up with an indictment to justify the arrest strongly suggests that while he has sufficient evidence for an indictment, what he actually has is unlikely to result in a conviction (i.e. that 'reasonable doubt' would exist as to whether Blago's actions were, in fact, criminal as opposed to just sleazy) and Fitz isn't the kind of prosecutor who subjects citizens to a trial without a very strong case. As for the Reid tape -- it probably exists since we know that Blago's office and phones were tapped. Moreover, insofar as we know that Blago was looking for some kind of quid pro quo on the Obama replacement, its certainly well within the realm of possibility that <I>Blago sought something from Reid, and Reid didn't exactly demur </i>... All of a sudden now every pundit and MSM flack has amnesia and thinks that Fitzgerald asking for additional time is an indication that he has a weak case.

well, Fitz arrested Blago, which means that he had to have grounds for an arrest. The fact that Fitz hasn't come up with an indictment to justify the arrest strongly suggests that while he has sufficient evidence for an indictment, what he actually has is unlikely to result in a conviction (i.e. that 'reasonable doubt' would exist as to whether Blago's actions were, in fact, criminal as opposed to just sleazy) and Fitz isn't the kind of prosecutor who subjects citizens to a trial without a very strong case.

As for the Reid tape -- it probably exists since we know that Blago's office and phones were tapped. Moreover, insofar as we know that Blago was looking for some kind of quid pro quo on the Obama replacement, its certainly well within the realm of possibility that Blago sought something from Reid, and Reid didn't exactly demur ...

]]> By: Art Pepper http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/07/caught-on-the-tape/comment-page-2/#comment-32605 Art Pepper Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:29:34 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9498#comment-32605 SG: "I hope one day Reid actually goes and checks said book out of the library." - That's excellent! SG: "I hope one day Reid actually goes and checks said book out of the library."
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That's excellent!

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