Best Congressional Investigation Ever Reveals Hulk Hogan To Be A "Terrible" Wrestler
With no real fanfare, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., has finished up his investigation of steroids in professional wrestling. (Yep, it's a problem.) Marc Ambinder, a hopeless fan of the squared circle, has a good write up of some of the highlights and the policy implications.
But the steroid stuff is not really the most interesting part. In his effort to rid the nation of steroid abuse, Waxman has incidentally created a great historical treasure trove, one of the most comprehensive pictures ever produced of the fascinating, exhilarating, often-nasty and always-elusive professional wrestling business. This industry is, it must be said, America's last great circus, a traveling band of performers with pecs and tights that is televised with huge ratings three times a week on cable, fills untelevised arenas many other nights each week, and attracts millions of dollars in annual pay-per-view revenue. It is "fake" in the way that it is not a sport, like baseball or football. But as a business, as a form of entertainment, and as an athletic drama it often puts real sports leagues to shame.
In recent years, American professional wrestling has been mostly run as a monopoly, under the umbrella of the WWE, which is controlled and operated by Vince McMahon and his family, who often perform at the events. They like to keep the backstage details quiet, by necessity. Like magic, pro-wrestling is about illusion. You never want to reveal more than the trick demands. But Waxman has now laid these details bare, in testimony to Congress, where lies are prosecutable offenses. We learn that the WWE, for instance, employs about 10 writers to develop story lines for the wrestlers. In addition to the writers, a group of "producers," mostly former wrestlers, travel on the road to help the performers with rough choreography of each match. (Each match needs a beginning, middle and end.) The performers can make anywhere from a few thousand to many hundred thousand dollars, depending on the event. Then there is this, my favorite nugget from what I have read so far--from an interview with Stephanie McMahon, the daughter of Vince and the person in charge of talent relations and creative writing.
Q: How does talent get to become main-event talent?
A: Basically, hard work and perseverance and overwhelming the audience. . . . When someone walks out on that stage, they either connect with the people or they don't. If you walk out on stage and nobody cares and you don't have any presence, you are never going to be a main-event guy. But if you walk out and you make the people notice you, you can be a main-event guy. You really don't even have to be a good wrestler. Hulk Hogan was a terrible wrestler, and he still is.
Q: For the record, I am sure he would disagree with that.
A: I am sure he would disagree with that. I forget this is all public. But, you know, he was. He was a terrible wrestler. But what an incredible psychologist and what an incredible charismatic person. There is no denying Hulk Hogan is one of the biggest stars in the history of our business and will always be perceived as such. But he was not a great wrestler, not a great technician.
Later in the interview, Stephanie McMahon says she regrets saying on the record that Hogan was a bad wrestler. But she elaborates, nonetheless.
When I said Hulk Hogan wasn't a great wrestler, I didn't mean he didn't know how to do the moves, the move technically. He just had three moves. And that is all he did. That is what I meant. It wasn't an exciting technical display of reversing holds and, you know, multiple different maneuvers. It was a very basic match. Psychologically it worked every time. The crowd got behind Hulk.
Just Stephanie's interview alone runs 138 pages. All great stuff. The full archive of Waxman's investigation can be found here.
UPDATE: Ambinder responds to this post, by agreeing with McMahon: Hulk stunk as a wrestler. The Atlantic's in-house wrestling expert even posts video evidence to prove it: a vintage match between Hogan and Minnesota's own Jesse "The Body" Ventura.
MORE: Wade Keller, the editor of Pro-Wrestling Torch, who probably learns more about wrestling before lunch before I have gathered in a lifetime, points out correctly that Waxman is not the first to put to paper the mechanics of behind-the-curtain wrestling production, a craft that has been documented in fan publications and wrestler memoirs for years. (Had a McMahon ever knocked Hogan's wrestling skills in public before?) That said, Waxman's historical record is still quite astounding, and great reading, and it will be a valuable historical and journalistic reference for years to come.
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Looks like <Gorilla Monsoon agrees with Stephanie McMahon...a clip from a 1997 A&E documentary called The Unreal Story of Professional Wrestling. Lotta info about how things came to be the way they are in the wrestling world...
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Going on the wayback machine, here's an old 20/20 clip where John Stossel asks the ever-important question, "Is pro wrestling real?"...And yes, it's the one where Stossel gets pummeled at around 5:30...
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michaelscherer: who knew that all the Swampland commenters were wrasslin fans?
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Not for at least a decade and a half, but there's some memories, like my father and I watching the Thursday night wrasslin' hour on the teevee when I was a kindergardener back in Georgia...Sometimes they'd broadcast from the county fairgrounds which I could see out of the back window of the house we lived in, way across this big cow pasture. Good memories.
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Gah. It's late and I have no preview...apologies for the missing close tag. -
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Thank god it's sake hour in the land of rising yen. To be added to something I coughed out one of Amy's posts:
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1 on WRESTLING!? I knew it was too good to last Scherer-san
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Posts on pg. 1:
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3 on Blago
1 on a Plumber
1 on J. Wright
1 on Obama as a food critic
1 on airline discrimination
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Dare I say it!? Michael Scherer (along with Joe) is the only person addressing anything of substance of late. Post-election, I knew it was going to get bad, but JFC people--you're making me miss AMC's depth! -
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@formerlyjames - I grew up in the region where Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling (MACW) was a MONSTER. I was a snot-nosed smartypants, but you could enjoy MACW straight-up, or with mocking. By the time it was all over, I think I was digging it straight-up. Before political correctness, I liked how they had a flat-out stereotype for every group: someone you could hate and see get a chair put upside their head. At the height of the cold war, the Koloff Brothers got their Russkie ass kicked nicely. Wahoo was just the man. While Flair was talking all this crazy sh*t, he was real quiet like Chief Bromden in Cuckoo's Nest. The headdress was so sweet. He was like a badass peacock. Long live MACW!
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Guess who is on the WWE Board?
Lowell Weicher. Yeah, THAT Lowell Weicher.
http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20081231140914.pdf page 10
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Let me say something. If you grew up as a boy and didn't love wrasslin then either you were missing out or you were a lame. Wrasslin wasn't then what it is now and I would never be interested to shell out money to go see WWE now. But back in the day when it was still "real" and they had storylines better than any soap opera I would have given anything to go see it in person. The heels back in those times were as larger than life as the baby faces. The Iran Sheik, the Koloff Brothers, the Four Horseman with Ric Flair, Sgt Slaughter when he was the bad guy, Legion of Doom/Road Warriors, Million Dollar Man, Andre the Giant, the Great Kamala....and on and on. They were so good at being bad that you had, just had, to cheer for truth and justice and dare I say it, the American way. Wrasslin made patriotism cool and fun back in the day. But now adays the lines are so blurred, a guy you were cheering for last week will be a heel this week.
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I find the same thing with cartoons my kids watch. Its so hard to find stark differences between good guys and bad guys on Tee Vee now adays and as crazy as it sounds I really think that has an effect on the younger generation. I grew up with GI Joe which gave a moral statement after each episode, something to teach you a lesson. My kids are growing up with boogers and fart jokes on their cartoons most of which never make a distinction between right and wrong. Its nuts. -
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@sgw - We've discussed this before, but it BEARS REPEATING. That's right, he's going to throw a fish at you. Deal with it.
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It's a new day and we are still talking wrestling, at least the old wrestling! WOW!
Back in the 50's and 60's the great thing was wrestlers could be a bad guy up north and a good guy down here. Now days they have to have a personality change or some other lame excuse to become the opposite of who they are on stage. The world of communications no longer allows such weekly transformations. But in the old days Eddie Graham who was a good guy in Florida could fly up north and join his brother Billy and be the dasterdly Graham brothers and then fly back at the end of the week and once gain become the good guy by the end of the week.
sgwhiteinfla: No I'm not actually a Hulk fan. Just a fan of the old sport, not today's wrestling. can't even watch it today it is so bad.
Loved some of the old guys like Jerry Lawler, The Shiek, Haystacks Calhoun, Johnny Valentine, especially Fred Blassie, The Great Malenko and Rick Flair.
Today's guys are forced to do some really dangerous performances and if they don't they disappear. Yeah they do it all, or at least try to do it all, but they really suffer physically. That is why so many now retire early. The really need to get it away from the McMahons they are users of the 10th degree. I really think it's only a matter of time before they start tying in the steroid use, drug use and the McMahons into something that can take them down.
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As far as I know, Bob Mould (former lead singer/guitarist of Hüsker Dü and Sugar) wrote for WWF for a while.
Let's check the Google...
Yup!
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D02EEDA113DF933A25751C0A9649C8B63
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Anything good in the testimony about Steve Austin or the Rock? I always wondered if the Rock's boob reduction was due to genetics or steroids...
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there is a lot about stone cold in the stephanie mcmahon interview.
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I remembered this story when I lived in Portland, Maine several years ago about a Jewish gallery owner, who secretly was a professional rassler. I guess if Lowell Weicker can be on the board of WWE, Rob elowitch of Barridoff Galleries can be a professional wrestler. It crosses all cultural and socioeconomic groups.
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Mike, great post and you nailed it when you described pro wrestling as "America's last great circus." At its best, it's great lowbrow entertainment. It's ironic that Stephanie McMahon was questioned about Hogan becoming a star even though he was a terrible wrestler because the general opinion among fans is that Triple H has maintained his status as a WWE headliner because he's married to....Stephanie McMahon.
This testimony would be interesting reading to see if it indicates what wrestlers are doing now to get bigger. They've always been at the head of the curve with this stuff.
I had a chance to talk to a wrestler who had just joined Vince McMahon's company and knew that McMahon favored the big, muscular dudes. I hinted that this meant they were doing steroids and he said no, they had moved beyond that and were doing human growth hormones. The kicker is, I spoke to him in 1989. God knows what they're doing now.
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What a fracking waste of time and effort.
The people who are "into" this "sport" also fail to realize the "ritualized cannibalism" inherent in Christianity and likely STILL believe there are Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.
They deserve their own stupidity.
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hold2file: Thanks for your loving comments. No we don;t think there were any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Most of us posting here are progessives, liberals or just middle of the roaders. You confuse your audiences!
As far as the cannibalism comment very intriguing. As ai frecall, not being a good church going individual communion is only practiced in Catholic related churches. Baptists and Protestants do not qualify as cannibals. No wonder Cathlic girls always go so well with honey!
Most of us here are far from stupid, as you call us. We recognize wrestling is entertainment, a theatrical performance of good versus evil at least it was before McMahon got a hold of it and turned it into an unwatchable show. It's like going to a B movie and enjoying yourself. I suggest you consider surgery for that pole up your hind quarter and learn to let your hair down once in a while. No wrestling isn't for everyone. Today it's a waste of time for everyone. There just are many here on Swampland who remember what it once was
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Please excuse gramatics on my #40 post. Cathlic girls should be Catholic girls, but you probably get the meaning.
I am sitting her in Panera bread with a computer on my lap and it is really tough to type coherantly.
GO GATORS!!!!!!!!
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Glad MS finally got around to covering things that matter. Next up, hula hoops (wait… what? Amy already did that? Really?) OK, then, American Idol!
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Seriously people, pro wrestling should be a guilty pleasure at best. Show a little contrition when you're displaying such detailed knowledge of an entertainment appealing to fans with both IQ's and teeth counts in the single digits.
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Honestly man if you read the thread most of us are reliving our childhood/teenage years. Its funny how wrassling makes folks act all "grown up" and bougouise when the subject comes up. Its gotta be only hicks and idiots who like wrasslin right? Wrong. If "Grown Ups" can watch Oprah, soap operas, American Idol, and or Desperate Housewives "Grown Ups" should also be able to watch wrasslin. I don't anymore but it has more to do with the genre falling off than me being more mature. -
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Seriously people, pro wrestling should be a guilty pleasure at best.
Evaluating the validity of other's pleasure should be a capital crime.
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OK, then – off with my head. If the alternatives are "watch[ing] Oprah, soap operas, American Idol, and or Desperate Housewives," I guess it's a far, far better place that I go to…
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[...] release of WWE steroid testimony is doing the rounds, including Marc Ambinder @ the Atlantic and Michael Scherer @ Swampland and Ambinder [...]
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[...] release of WWE steroid testimony is doing the rounds, including Marc Ambinder @ the Atlantic and Michael Scherer @ Swampland and Ambinder [...]
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[...] was a terrible wrestler [...] He just had three moves:” Stephanie McMahon describes Hulk Hogan in congressional testimony, saying what you always secretly knew but dared not utter [...]
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Stephanie McMahon has a credibility problem since she is married to Triple H who maintains a headliner position because he bonking Stephanie as her husband. Maybe the questions asked should have been related to how often are you helping to administer human growth hormane or steriods to your husband?
Wrestling was fun when it was wrestling. And it sure was fun watching the rednecks and grannies go all ape crap over the bad guy beating the heck out of the good guy. It's somewhat akin to this past political season when the McCain and Palin camps were battling over who said when and when. Hey, someone tell the Palins and Levi there's a place for them in the WWF. They'll make great money and come 2012 Sarah the Impaler will still get the same amount of votes running for President from the same rednecks she would have if she'd remained Governor of Alaska.
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Damn fingers that's hormones.
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