Comments on: Kristol Blue Extrapolation http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/05/kristol-blue-extrapolation/ A blog about politics. Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:50:49 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Gaza research « Narratives of War http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/05/kristol-blue-extrapolation/comment-page-4/#comment-33933 Gaza research « Narratives of War Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:55:03 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9388#comment-33933 [...] Gaza conflict (BBC); Gaza Crisis: Israelis Echoing Bush on Regime Change? (Mother Jones); Kristol Blue Extrapolation (Joe Klein, [...] [...] Gaza conflict (BBC); Gaza Crisis: Israelis Echoing Bush on Regime Change? (Mother Jones); Kristol Blue Extrapolation (Joe Klein, [...]

]]> By: danielev99 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/05/kristol-blue-extrapolation/comment-page-4/#comment-33331 danielev99 Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:27:34 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9388#comment-33331 Obama supports Israel's war on Hamas. Obama supports Israel's war on Hamas.

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]]> By: ikewoman1 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/05/kristol-blue-extrapolation/comment-page-3/#comment-32167 ikewoman1 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:24:45 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9388#comment-32167 The huge challenge for Obama and his gang is going to be Iran! Bill Kristol is right in many ways. Israel is doing what it has to do in Gaza; what it should have done in Lebanon. It ought not to have backed off! They should have cleaned house with Hezbollah and chased them back into the 'rat hole' that they came out of while they had the chance! I believe this is what Israel has learned from the recent past. You can't deal with terrorists! They will just see weakness on your part and want more and more concessions! Where is that young Jewish soldier that they said they would release if and when Israel released many of the prisoners they had in incarcerated for crimes against them? Israel released terrorists and murderers and where is this soldier? He is still not released! Again I say you can't trust the word of a terrorist nor deal with them!!! The huge challenge for Obama and his gang is going to be Iran!
Bill Kristol is right in many ways. Israel is doing what it has to do in Gaza; what it should have done in Lebanon. It ought not to have backed off! They should have cleaned house with Hezbollah and chased them back into the 'rat hole' that they came out of while they had the chance!
I believe this is what Israel has learned from the recent past.
You can't deal with terrorists! They will just see weakness on your part and want more and more concessions! Where is that young Jewish soldier that they said they would release if and when Israel released many of the prisoners they had in incarcerated for crimes against them?
Israel released terrorists and murderers and where is this soldier? He is still not released!
Again I say you can't trust the word of a terrorist nor deal with them!!!

]]> By: mariposareef http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/05/kristol-blue-extrapolation/comment-page-3/#comment-32029 mariposareef Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:57:38 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9388#comment-32029 Joe Klein writes ...if Obama abandons the fantasy of an anti-ballistic missile system in return for Russian cooperation on Iran), a world where the U.S. no longer provides the mullahs with an overseas satan to divert attention from their disastrous domestic failures. "the fantasy of an anti-ballistic missile system"??? like the space shuttle is a fantasy, and aircraft carriers are a fantasy, and other advanced space and military technologies pioneered by the USA are a fantasy? It is very naive to think "the mullahs" will now love America because of the enlightened Obama Joe Klein writes

...if Obama abandons the fantasy of an anti-ballistic missile system in return for Russian cooperation on Iran), a world where the U.S. no longer provides the mullahs with an overseas satan to divert attention from their disastrous domestic failures.

"the fantasy of an anti-ballistic missile system"??? like the space shuttle is a fantasy, and aircraft carriers are a fantasy, and other advanced space and military technologies pioneered by the USA are a fantasy?

It is very naive to think "the mullahs" will now love America because of the enlightened Obama

]]> By: themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/05/kristol-blue-extrapolation/comment-page-3/#comment-32027 themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:27:15 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9388#comment-32027 # danielev99 Says: Monday, January 5, 2009 at 3:29 pm I support Israel's operation in Gaza because I believe it is good for the West and bad for Islamists, and it is being waged at a reasonable cost of life and money. Thanks for the debate! -Bye Much the same way as the Iraq invasion saved us from WMD and resulted in cries of joy by the grateful Iraqi population, who immediately embraced democracy, learned to love baseball, and have designated Bush as the Father of the Nation? Since when was it good for the West for an irresponsible rogue state to trigger another round of an unwinnable war - a war which has everything to do with its own violations of international law, theft of land and brutal oppression of another people? # danielev99 Says:
Monday, January 5, 2009 at 3:29 pm

I support Israel's operation in Gaza because I believe it is good for the West and bad for Islamists, and it is being waged at a reasonable cost of life and money. Thanks for the debate! -Bye

Much the same way as the Iraq invasion saved us from WMD and resulted in cries of joy by the grateful Iraqi population, who immediately embraced democracy, learned to love baseball, and have designated Bush as the Father of the Nation?

Since when was it good for the West for an irresponsible rogue state to trigger another round of an unwinnable war - a war which has everything to do with its own violations of international law, theft of land and brutal oppression of another people?

]]> By: itzikbasman http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/05/kristol-blue-extrapolation/comment-page-3/#comment-32021 itzikbasman Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:34:12 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9388#comment-32021 Itzik Basman http://basmanroselaw.blogspot.com/ Itzik Basman

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]]> By: 53_3 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/05/kristol-blue-extrapolation/comment-page-3/#comment-32020 53_3 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:24:41 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9388#comment-32020 dcanales: <i>"Somehow, I think you are too smart to not understand how Iran is an implacable foe, seeking Israel's and our destruction, and how it is involved in this crisis."</i> . Now isn't this typical. The "Arab Domino Theory". Havn't you noticed <i>yet</i> that there <i>are no Iranians fighting in Gaza?</i>. Last time I looked, Iran was no greater threat to us than Iraq was when the British PM, singing Bush's chorus of neocon bullsquawk, claimed that they could hit us in 45 minutes. . And I'm <i>still</i> cowering under my bed at the thought of the Mighty Iraqi Air Force appearing over the horizon here. . Do you suppose that maybe the Mighty Iranian Air Force is about to take up their cudgels? Where's my bomb shelter... . <i>"Yet, you choose to cater to the crowd that won't allow Israel to ever complete it's defense."</i> . I know Zeevi had an absolutely <i><b>wonderful</i></b> solution for those "breeders-of-suicide-bombers": Drive them into the sea. . With <i>such</i> humane sentiments, who would need despots. "Defense" indeed! . <i>"Any strategy that spares Hamas simply keeps the attacks coming, which is why contrary to your comments, the French cease-fire offer is a bad idea at this time."<i> . I might point out two things: 1. The Gazans have nothing to lose by fighting 2. The Israelis not only kept all of Gaza imprisoned, but kept them at below subsistance levels. Desparate Gazans stormed the borders not to buy weapons, but food and medicine, not just once, <i><b>but three times!</i></b>. . <i>"Israel did not make a mistake. Instead, they show they learned the lesson of 2006 and have the courage to make difficult decisions."</i> . As far as Lebanon is concerned, you're dumber than a warm rock on a windowsill. The Israeli army, as powerful as it is, <i><b>is too small to hold enough territory to keep rocket crews from lobbing them at Israel with impunity.</i></b> . dcanales, you had better learn how to <i>give</i> peace. Otherwise, soon, Israel will soon be plagued by enemies that <i><b>don't</i></b> need to hold territory to fire rockets, and whose rockets will only become more sophisticated as time goes on. dcanales:
"Somehow, I think you are too smart to not understand how Iran is an implacable foe, seeking Israel's and our destruction, and how it is involved in this crisis."
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Now isn't this typical. The "Arab Domino Theory". Havn't you noticed yet that there are no Iranians fighting in Gaza?. Last time I looked, Iran was no greater threat to us than Iraq was when the British PM, singing Bush's chorus of neocon bullsquawk, claimed that they could hit us in 45 minutes.
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And I'm still cowering under my bed at the thought of the Mighty Iraqi Air Force appearing over the horizon here.
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Do you suppose that maybe the Mighty Iranian Air Force is about to take up their cudgels? Where's my bomb shelter...
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"Yet, you choose to cater to the crowd that won't allow Israel to ever complete it's defense."
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I know Zeevi had an absolutely wonderful solution for those "breeders-of-suicide-bombers":
Drive them into the sea.
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With such humane sentiments, who would need despots. "Defense" indeed!
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"Any strategy that spares Hamas simply keeps the attacks coming, which is why contrary to your comments, the French cease-fire offer is a bad idea at this time."
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I might point out two things:
1. The Gazans have nothing to lose by fighting
2. The Israelis not only kept all of Gaza imprisoned, but kept them at below subsistance levels. Desparate Gazans stormed the borders not to buy weapons, but food and medicine, not just once, but three times!.
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"Israel did not make a mistake. Instead, they show they learned the lesson of 2006 and have the courage to make difficult decisions."
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As far as Lebanon is concerned, you're dumber than a warm rock on a windowsill. The Israeli army, as powerful as it is, is too small to hold enough territory to keep rocket crews from lobbing them at Israel with impunity.
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dcanales, you had better learn how to give peace. Otherwise, soon, Israel will soon be plagued by enemies that don't need to hold territory to fire rockets, and whose rockets will only become more sophisticated as time goes on.

]]> By: shepherdwong http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/05/kristol-blue-extrapolation/comment-page-3/#comment-32014 shepherdwong Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:33:02 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9388#comment-32014 <i>"Iran is an implacable foe, seeking Israel's and our destruction..."</i> . If true, it would be a big, fricking club at this point. Tell them to get in line. Seriously, the point is to know <i>who can</i> and <i>who will</i> do you harm and deal with the threat with the least possibility of blow-back. The US and Israel will be eating blow-back for Cheney and Sharon/Olmert Administration policies for generations. "Iran is an implacable foe, seeking Israel's and our destruction..."
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If true, it would be a big, fricking club at this point. Tell them to get in line. Seriously, the point is to know who can and who will do you harm and deal with the threat with the least possibility of blow-back. The US and Israel will be eating blow-back for Cheney and Sharon/Olmert Administration policies for generations.

]]> By: formerlyjames http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/05/kristol-blue-extrapolation/comment-page-3/#comment-31991 formerlyjames Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:51:47 +0000 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/?p=9388#comment-31991 If this is going to be Obama's first major issue to deal with, I think it is a cakewalk issue. Assuming that Isreal doesn't halt the slaughter before 1/20, he has a no brainer to deal with first out of the shoot. A simple message to Isreal would be, stop this carnage immediately. That would be followed by humanitarian aid to Gaza. If military support to provide that aid is necessary, then so be it. I ask this. What small fraction of the money and resources spent on the mindless destruction of Iraq could have been directed to this tiny island in the middle east to productively address the festering cause of all of the conflict to begin with? If this is going to be Obama's first major issue to deal with, I think it is a cakewalk issue. Assuming that Isreal doesn't halt the slaughter before 1/20, he has a no brainer to deal with first out of the shoot. A simple message to Isreal would be, stop this carnage immediately. That would be followed by humanitarian aid to Gaza. If military support to provide that aid is necessary, then so be it. I ask this. What small fraction of the money and resources spent on the mindless destruction of Iraq could have been directed to this tiny island in the middle east to productively address the festering cause of all of the conflict to begin with?

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