Georgia Senate Seat
NEWS FLASH: Georgia is still a conservative state.
Saxby Chambliss' runoff victory in a race that didn't turn out to be close at all (the latest figures have him beating challenger Jim Martin by a lopsided 58-43%, with voter turnout around half of what it was in last month's general election) has killed the Democrats' hopes of having the 60 members they would need to stop a filibuster in a Senate.
But as anyone who has ever been majority leader can tell you, having 60 members has never been the same as having 60 votes. It is far easier to hold your party together as a bloc when they are a minority stopping legislation than when they are passing it. So Harry Reid will start the session as he always knew he would, having to build coalitions--or, at a minimum, having to woo a Republican or three to vote his way. Meanwhile, they are still counting votes in Minnesota.
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How impeaching a president for getting head would prevent another president from being impeached for high crimes against he country is again, totally beyond me.
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The effect of the Clinton impeachment was to politicize the impeachment process. Any attempt by the Democrats to impeach would have been denounced as brazen partisan politics.(Yes, I know that is mind-numbingly hypocritical. See digby on that topic.)
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as always, crossing fingers and missing my friend preview when I insert an anchored link.
A party line vote on impeachment, which is the best that could have been expected, would have accomplished nothing. Moreover, a (quite likely) bipartisan vote against impeachment would have vindicated Bush. -
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KT here--
SG writes: Wouldn't the biggest tool he has or one of the biggest tools for overcoming an obstructionist minority what you and I agree on about forcing a filibuster?
You and I are exactly on the same page about those filibusters. If they are going to do it, make them do it. And not one of those wimpy overnight stunts where they bring out the cots.
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jay
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Thanks for the digby link. I think this should be posted up in every Democratic member of Congress' office and Obama should keep a copy on him at all times during the next 4-8 years just like the soldiers bracelet.
.We live in a world where the right wing ruthlessly and without mercy degrades and attacks by any means necessary what they perceive as the enemy, and then uses the great principles of democracy and fair play when the same is done to them. They leave the rest of us standing on the sidelines looking like fools for ever caring about anything but winning.
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sg:
I believe the "misdemeanors" entry in the constitution has to do with a different definition of what a misdemanor was at that point in time as compared to today. Felonies, an English common law invention, were crimes that were punishable by loss of property. All other crimes were misdemeanors.
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koabd
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Thanks for the correction. Personally I want them to take Bush's property AND freedom. But hey thats just me. -
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Obama just said he was dissappointed about Bill Richardson cutting his beard. I think we ALL are lol
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sg:
Why would there even have to be an impeachment? Couldn't the new administration just appoint a special prosecutor or a bipartisan commission and seek an indictment for Bush's FISA and torture crimes?
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I would really like to see Bush locked up for the crimes that he committed, but I don't think it is going to happen. -
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Is anyonbe really surprised about Georgia? Ever tried to get correct change when buying something anywhere in Georgia outside of Atlanta? Most of these southern Republican strongholds glorify the illiterate. Obama was at least smart enough to understand what he was up against in Georgia.
But then again 60 was not important either! The Democrats will be much more powerful operating as the party fighting the obstructionist who are voting an ideology rather than voting for the American people. Expect the Bully Pulpit to be used quite effectively by Obama when necessary.
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SG: You have a lot of energy about this "impeachment" thing. I would rather let the punishment fit the crime. Can you say "rendition"?
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Perhaps a little waterboarding, for fun and frolic? Or my biggest fantasy, "a walk outside the green zone" without any protective gear or escorts. -
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CP in FL
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I would go for either or honestly. Impeachment at this point is mostly a pipe dream. Its too late to do anything. And of course our leadership is too spineless. But its my opinion that it SHOULD have been done. And if not now, then like you said they should seek indictments on Bush after he leaves office. But it doesn't seem that Barack Obama is going to push for that. And really I don't know whether or not a President has been investigated, charged and convicted of crimes he committed AFTER he left office but somehow I really doubt it. I could be wrong though -
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Andy
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Trust me, if that was a possibility I would be out in the streets with a bull horn right now advocating for it. But really I am just pissed because once again a Republican is getting off scott free who should be legitimately imprisoned for crimes against the country while 8 years ago we had to go through the biggest farce in the world watching Bill Clinton give his definition of sex. Its bullsh!t and the Democrats are the ones allowing it to happen. I can just imagine 30 years from now we will be getting information from Bush's library just like we got information again from Nixon's Library yesterday and we all will be talking about how Bush helped set the table for the next Republican president who decides to stomp on the constitution with no worries of any kinds of punishments or even threats of punishments. -
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"...beating challenger Jim Martin by a lopsided 58-43%."
Is that with 101% of votes counted?
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Doesn't it warm your heart to know how Nixon REALLY felt about black folks? I just love hearing Republicans talk about how their party is the perfect place for black folks.
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Nixon: Well if you've got a candidate, what we need there… Godammit Chuck, we haven't got an Italian yet. I can't find any…
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Colson: Did Bob mention the [foreign adviser John] Scali idea to you? …Could be at the U.N.
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Nixon: Instead of the black?
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Colson: Instead of the black. Who the hell cares about the blacks? Scali would love the U.N. That would give you an Italian in the cabinet. At least it's a thought. And he's a legitimate Italian. A good Italian….
Nixon: You know, basically, we don't owe the blacks a damn thing anyway.
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Colson: Oh hell, no. As a matter of fact, I think it's a bad signal to put a black in the Cabinet… The people that voted for us– (Laughs)
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Nixon: …And after all, this pampering of blacks isn't a good idea. I think you've got a good point there…
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Colson: If we appoint a black in the cabinet in the second term and we didn't have one in the first term, people are going to say, “My God, they're moving–.
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What's on sgwhiteinfla's Christmas tree this year
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/12/03/white_house_ornament/
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KT here--
SG: Yes, they don't make them like Nixon any more. On the bulletin board above my desk, I have a copy of a WH memo to Haldeman written on June 2, 1971, where Nixon complains:
"I hope you will note the next time you are talking to Ziegler, Scali and Klein that in this first press conference after the appearance at the White House Correspondents Dinner where I played the "good sport" role, the reporters were considerably more bad-mannered and vicious than usual. The bears out my theory that treating with considerably more contempt is in the long run a more productive policy."
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KT -- I remember Nixon asking Dan Rather at a press conference, " Are you running for something?" and Rather answering, "No sir, are you?"
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When new tapes come out, I like to compare to the Haldeman Diaries....
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KT here--
Another one, which I keep taped to my door (I just love these old Nixon quotes);
On Sept. 19, 1971, two days after the retirements of Justices Hugo black and John Marshall Harlan, Nixon tells Haldeman on the tapes:
"I'm not for women in any job. I don't want any of them around. Thank God we don't have any in the cabinet."
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Alan Greenspan quote on Nixon:
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"A member of the Clinton administration once was accusing Nixon of anti-Semitism, and I said, 'You don't understand. He wasn't exclusively anti-Semitic. He was anti-Semitic, anti-Italian, anti-Greek, anti-Slovak ... He hated everybody.'" -
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KT
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lol thats AWESOME! What a small small man who some how managed to get elected to our nation's highest office. I propose that Presidential candidates should have to go through a full pscyh eval and they should have to take a competency test that includes constitutional questions as well as a series of current events questions dealing solely with universally recognized facts. I think imma make up an online petition for that initiative -
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The scary/interesting thing is that I can hear Nixon's voice when I read these quotes. Or at least, the caricature of Nixon's voice that I've heard over the years on TV.
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I was unable to watch Morning Joe today; I underwent a colonoscopy instead. On balance, I prefer the latter.
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KT –
In case they think everyone's forgotten, please tell the High Sheriffs this comment format still sucks. It ain't gonna fix itself.
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