Comments on: Lizard People Could Be Decisive in Minnesota http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/25/lizard-people-could-still-be-decisive-in-minnesota/ A blog about politics. Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:50:49 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: ivb3016 http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/25/lizard-people-could-still-be-decisive-in-minnesota/comment-page-2/#comment-24663 ivb3016 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:37:17 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8526#comment-24663 For a number of years we've been voting with touch machines. I wish we would go back to those old switch and lever machines because they have a paper trail and the new ones don't. There is no way to do a recount now. For a number of years we've been voting with touch machines. I wish we would go back to those old switch and lever machines because they have a paper trail and the new ones don't. There is no way to do a recount now.

]]> By: gmalcolms http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/25/lizard-people-could-still-be-decisive-in-minnesota/comment-page-2/#comment-24658 gmalcolms Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:03:14 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8526#comment-24658 jayackroyd, When I lived in NY I always voted with those machines with the switches and levers, too. I much prefer them to optical scanners. jayackroyd,
When I lived in NY I always voted with those machines with the switches and levers, too. I much prefer them to optical scanners.

]]> By: gmalcolms http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/25/lizard-people-could-still-be-decisive-in-minnesota/comment-page-2/#comment-24657 gmalcolms Wed, 26 Nov 2008 06:59:32 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8526#comment-24657 The person who filled in Lizard People clearly didn't actually vote for Lizard People for Senate, since the voter only filled in one oval - for Al Franken. OTOH, that person did vote for Lizard People for the preceding race, by blackening the oval, so the voter did understand how to indicate a preference. Perhaps he or she considered Lizard People for Senate before rejecting that option. There's another ballot with the same issue, where a voter filled in the oval for Coleman while writing in (but not selecting) Bachman. That vote should count for Coleman, so these 2 are a wash. The person who filled in Lizard People clearly didn't actually vote for Lizard People for Senate, since the voter only filled in one oval - for Al Franken. OTOH, that person did vote for Lizard People for the preceding race, by blackening the oval, so the voter did understand how to indicate a preference. Perhaps he or she considered Lizard People for Senate before rejecting that option.

There's another ballot with the same issue, where a voter filled in the oval for Coleman while writing in (but not selecting) Bachman. That vote should count for Coleman, so these 2 are a wash.

]]> By: jayackroyd http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/25/lizard-people-could-still-be-decisive-in-minnesota/comment-page-2/#comment-24400 jayackroyd Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:07:53 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8526#comment-24400 <i>It very educational and reassuring insofar as most people have very sensible reactions to ambiguous inputs.</i> . I saw the MNPR thing a few days ago, via Washington Monthly, I think. What struck me was there were no close calls, in my opinion. What the voter intended to do was clear, except for the lizard people ballot. But that's not hard to count either. . Even the person who circled one of the black boxes to the left which are probably there as benchmarks for the scanner was clear. . One of the things that struck me when I voted was how many people didn't know how the machine worked. In my precinct, we still have the big machine with the little levers you flip to cast your vote and the big lever you pull to register your vote. At least a third of the people in line didn't know how it worked. It very educational and reassuring insofar as most people have very sensible reactions to ambiguous inputs.
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I saw the MNPR thing a few days ago, via Washington Monthly, I think. What struck me was there were no close calls, in my opinion. What the voter intended to do was clear, except for the lizard people ballot. But that's not hard to count either.
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Even the person who circled one of the black boxes to the left which are probably there as benchmarks for the scanner was clear.
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One of the things that struck me when I voted was how many people didn't know how the machine worked. In my precinct, we still have the big machine with the little levers you flip to cast your vote and the big lever you pull to register your vote. At least a third of the people in line didn't know how it worked.

]]> By: Joe Bftsplk http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/25/lizard-people-could-still-be-decisive-in-minnesota/comment-page-2/#comment-24332 Joe Bftsplk Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:44:58 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8526#comment-24332 sgw- You mean "react", not "think". sgw-
You mean "react", not "think".

]]> By: sgwhiteinfla http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/25/lizard-people-could-still-be-decisive-in-minnesota/comment-page-2/#comment-24327 sgwhiteinfla Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:34:36 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8526#comment-24327 I should add that part of my problem with it is I can hear Republicans saying stuff like "See See, first we get a timetable with Iraq and now Afghanistan wants one. Whatcha gonna do now Mr smarty pants Obama?" And I just really don't want to have to hear all that. And yes its sad that I can think like Rush Limbaugh on occasion I should add that part of my problem with it is I can hear Republicans saying stuff like "See See, first we get a timetable with Iraq and now Afghanistan wants one. Whatcha gonna do now Mr smarty pants Obama?" And I just really don't want to have to hear all that. And yes its sad that I can think like Rush Limbaugh on occasion

]]> By: sgwhiteinfla http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/25/lizard-people-could-still-be-decisive-in-minnesota/comment-page-2/#comment-24326 sgwhiteinfla Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:32:43 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8526#comment-24326 yogi . I agree and he should really or it will continue to invalidate his presidency as just a stooge for the U.S. and thus the regular Afghanis will never truly back our mission there. But this demand stands to phuck everything up at a time when we are about to have a leader in office who can actually help the people of Afghanistan in a meaningful way with rebuilding their infrastructure and also taking the fight to the Taliban and al Queda. He needs to keep pushing for an end to the air raids that are killing innocents but trying to demand a time table just doesn't seem productive to me yogi
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I agree and he should really or it will continue to invalidate his presidency as just a stooge for the U.S. and thus the regular Afghanis will never truly back our mission there. But this demand stands to phuck everything up at a time when we are about to have a leader in office who can actually help the people of Afghanistan in a meaningful way with rebuilding their infrastructure and also taking the fight to the Taliban and al Queda. He needs to keep pushing for an end to the air raids that are killing innocents but trying to demand a time table just doesn't seem productive to me

]]> By: yogi http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/25/lizard-people-could-still-be-decisive-in-minnesota/comment-page-2/#comment-24323 yogi Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:26:32 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8526#comment-24323 sg, Karzai has to pretend he's a real president every now and then. sg, Karzai has to pretend he's a real president every now and then.

]]> By: michaelscherer http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/25/lizard-people-could-still-be-decisive-in-minnesota/comment-page-2/#comment-24322 michaelscherer Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:24:50 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8526#comment-24322 gunny, you can always post in my thread. gunny, you can always post in my thread.

]]> By: sgwhiteinfla http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/25/lizard-people-could-still-be-decisive-in-minnesota/comment-page-2/#comment-24321 sgwhiteinfla Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:24:13 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8526#comment-24321 Anybody else see a problem with this?? . http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Afghanistan_demands_timeline_for_en_11252008.html Anybody else see a problem with this??
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http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Afghanistan_demands_timeline_for_en_11252008.html

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