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		<title>By: Balloon Juice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Interesting Party You Got Here</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/21/national-security-team-of-rivals/comment-page-3/#comment-26396</link>
		<dc:creator>Balloon Juice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Interesting Party You Got Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] they point out that many of the Obama economic picks were, well, wrong about many things. Likewise, the conventional wisdom about his national security team is also something to keep an eye [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] they point out that many of the Obama economic picks were, well, wrong about many things. Likewise, the conventional wisdom about his national security team is also something to keep an eye [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bush Funny Business and Media Idiocy &#171; Stephen C. Rose</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/21/national-security-team-of-rivals/comment-page-2/#comment-26333</link>
		<dc:creator>Bush Funny Business and Media Idiocy &#171; Stephen C. Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A sane take on Obama national security moves. SOURCE [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A sane take on Obama national security moves. SOURCE [...]</p>
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		<title>By: All Our Might &#187; Blog Archive &#187; complaining about the new kids.</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/21/national-security-team-of-rivals/comment-page-2/#comment-24713</link>
		<dc:creator>All Our Might &#187; Blog Archive &#187; complaining about the new kids.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not necessarily EACH OTHERS&#8217; rivals.  Hillary ran against Obama in the primary, Gen Jones is reported to be a friend of McCain&#8217;s, and Gates is a Bush appointee.  That sounds like a team of rivals [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not necessarily EACH OTHERS&#8217; rivals.  Hillary ran against Obama in the primary, Gen Jones is reported to be a friend of McCain&#8217;s, and Gates is a Bush appointee.  That sounds like a team of rivals [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Some Friday links&#8230; &#171; Thoughts and Ruminations</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/21/national-security-team-of-rivals/comment-page-2/#comment-23213</link>
		<dc:creator>Some Friday links&#8230; &#171; Thoughts and Ruminations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Politics: Time&#8217;s Joe Klein on Obama&#8217;s important commitment to assembling a &#8220;team of rivals&amp;#....  Here&#8217;s a quote from this very good article: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Politics: Time&#8217;s Joe Klein on Obama&#8217;s important commitment to assembling a &#8220;team of rivals&amp;#....  Here&#8217;s a quote from this very good article: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kathy</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/21/national-security-team-of-rivals/comment-page-2/#comment-23169</link>
		<dc:creator>kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>formerly and meme: JNS increasingly engages here, as well.  Ann Marie used to, but McCain came between her good humor and us.  
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Joe has made it clear directly in some of his posts that he reads comments, but I don&#039;t recall that he has ever engaged commenters in the thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>formerly and meme: JNS increasingly engages here, as well.  Ann Marie used to, but McCain came between her good humor and us.<br />
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Joe has made it clear directly in some of his posts that he reads comments, but I don't recall that he has ever engaged commenters in the thread.</p>
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		<title>By: formerlyjames</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/21/national-security-team-of-rivals/comment-page-2/#comment-23149</link>
		<dc:creator>formerlyjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction...MS does too, but that is usually to respond to negative reactions to his blog.  He suffers more grief than he should have to here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction...MS does too, but that is usually to respond to negative reactions to his blog.  He suffers more grief than he should have to here.</p>
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		<title>By: formerlyjames</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/21/national-security-team-of-rivals/comment-page-2/#comment-23148</link>
		<dc:creator>formerlyjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>memekiller, good luck on that.  I have never, never seen Joe respond to anybody or anything in the open chat.  I seem to recall that he notes something said by somebody in his blog.  That&#039;s it, and I&#039;m not sure that I&#039;m not confused with one of the other Time people.  KT is the only one who actually engages here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>memekiller, good luck on that.  I have never, never seen Joe respond to anybody or anything in the open chat.  I seem to recall that he notes something said by somebody in his blog.  That's it, and I'm not sure that I'm not confused with one of the other Time people.  KT is the only one who actually engages here.</p>
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		<title>By: memekiller</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/21/national-security-team-of-rivals/comment-page-2/#comment-23115</link>
		<dc:creator>memekiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.squarestate.net/diary/7241/blogging-about-blogging-for-denver-insight</description>
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		<title>By: memekiller</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/21/national-security-team-of-rivals/comment-page-2/#comment-23113</link>
		<dc:creator>memekiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did a blog-interview at &lt;a&gt;Squarestate.net&lt;/a&gt; for one of my stories. Join in, if you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did a blog-interview at <a>Squarestate.net</a> for one of my stories. Join in, if you like.</p>
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		<title>By: memekiller</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/21/national-security-team-of-rivals/comment-page-2/#comment-23111</link>
		<dc:creator>memekiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how closely Joe reads the comments, so I guess this is a test. I&#039;m doing a couple stories for local media in Denver/Boulder on the blogs and MSM, and I find Joe Klein to be an interesting case study. 

Josh Marshall seems to represent the collaborative reporting, where his readers offer tips and thoughts that shape his reporting, whereas most mainstream journalists seem to despise the &quot;vitriol&quot; of the rabble, and be more elitist and insular.

Klein and Swampland seem to be one of the few places where MSM has effectively used the democratic aspect, and anyone who is a regular reader of Swampland has noticed a bit of a transition in Joe&#039;s reporting. Many (like me) were originally quite spiteful of Joe, yet we didn&#039;t scare him off, and he didn&#039;t totally dismiss us, and even found areas where he agreed with us. It&#039;s to the point where my least favorite pundit provided, in my opinion, the best campaign coverage. 

So, I&#039;d like to get a quick quote from Joe, if I can, if not directly, then out here in the open, in a very blog fashion: how do you regard the penny seats these days, Joe? And how much do you feel they have influenced your thinking? Or, do you see your writing as not evolving at all the way we do? How much have you come to accept some of the TPM model, where you allow the general opinions of people who respond in places like Swampland to shape your reporting like any other inside source?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not sure how closely Joe reads the comments, so I guess this is a test. I'm doing a couple stories for local media in Denver/Boulder on the blogs and MSM, and I find Joe Klein to be an interesting case study. </p>
<p>Josh Marshall seems to represent the collaborative reporting, where his readers offer tips and thoughts that shape his reporting, whereas most mainstream journalists seem to despise the "vitriol" of the rabble, and be more elitist and insular.</p>
<p>Klein and Swampland seem to be one of the few places where MSM has effectively used the democratic aspect, and anyone who is a regular reader of Swampland has noticed a bit of a transition in Joe's reporting. Many (like me) were originally quite spiteful of Joe, yet we didn't scare him off, and he didn't totally dismiss us, and even found areas where he agreed with us. It's to the point where my least favorite pundit provided, in my opinion, the best campaign coverage. </p>
<p>So, I'd like to get a quick quote from Joe, if I can, if not directly, then out here in the open, in a very blog fashion: how do you regard the penny seats these days, Joe? And how much do you feel they have influenced your thinking? Or, do you see your writing as not evolving at all the way we do? How much have you come to accept some of the TPM model, where you allow the general opinions of people who respond in places like Swampland to shape your reporting like any other inside source?</p>
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