Comments on: Transition: It Does An Obama Body Good http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/transition-it-does-an-obama-body-good/ A blog about politics. Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:54:46 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: sgwhiteinfla http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/transition-it-does-an-obama-body-good/comment-page-2/#comment-22709 sgwhiteinfla Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:25:35 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8417#comment-22709 cinci . Right now you are just ranting about a whole lotta nothing. Nothing about what I said comes close to what you are talking. That makes it a lot easier for me to ignore you. cinci
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Right now you are just ranting about a whole lotta nothing. Nothing about what I said comes close to what you are talking. That makes it a lot easier for me to ignore you.

]]> By: cincinnatus est exterminata! http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/transition-it-does-an-obama-body-good/comment-page-2/#comment-22699 cincinnatus est exterminata! Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:45:38 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8417#comment-22699 Ok, I get where we break off...you're one of those people who think people are reason based beings. I disagree. The story has nothing to do w/ the prosecution of the cop...messed up stories got NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. What's relevant is that DA's don't prosecute cops if they want cops to play ball w/ them, and that tends to be important to them. If that fails, there's always the all white jury to fall back on. So explain to me, using reason, this cops behavior: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxgNKNEtk18 . Turns off the camera, then turns it on...looks pretty bad. A reasonable person in the cops situation would likely see how bad it would look to turn off that camera....but he did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxgNKNEtk18 Ok, I get where we break off...you're one of those people who think people are reason based beings. I disagree. The story has nothing to do w/ the prosecution of the cop...messed up stories got NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. What's relevant is that DA's don't prosecute cops if they want cops to play ball w/ them, and that tends to be important to them. If that fails, there's always the all white jury to fall back on. So explain to me, using reason, this cops behavior:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxgNKNEtk18
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Turns off the camera, then turns it on...looks pretty bad. A reasonable person in the cops situation would likely see how bad it would look to turn off that camera....but he did.

]]> By: FlownOver http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/transition-it-does-an-obama-body-good/comment-page-2/#comment-22670 FlownOver Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:33:01 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8417#comment-22670 If Time is looking to trim staff I have a suggestion. If Time is looking to trim staff I have a suggestion.

]]> By: etsumi http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/transition-it-does-an-obama-body-good/comment-page-2/#comment-22659 etsumi Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:30:10 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8417#comment-22659 www.nationalenquirer.com/ Mikey, please, do us all a favor and embrace your true calling. You hacktacular pile of fooey http://www.nationalenquirer.com/

Mikey, please, do us all a favor and embrace your true calling.

You hacktacular pile of fooey

]]> By: sgwhiteinfla http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/transition-it-does-an-obama-body-good/comment-page-2/#comment-22651 sgwhiteinfla Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:21:19 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8417#comment-22651 cinci . The difference between your friend and this situation I would bet my quickly dwindling 401k is that your friend wasnt a prominent NFL player. Remember, the whole encounter was supposedly over Donald Driver not his father. So it would be hard to believe that he started an argument over Donald Driver but didnt know he was a pro bowl reciever. Now he might have just been the dumbest sob on the planet but its hard to take the next step in the story that knowing that Mr Driver is the father of a very high profile NFL player he announced to the world that he was targeting him BECAUSE of said football player and then proceeded to whup his azz. Now could it have happened that way? I guess if you are one of those people who say anything is possible, yes. But it seems more likely to me that they did target Mr Driver over something innocuous and then decided they would teach him a lesson because of some percieved "disrespect" Now the end result is still the same, the man is in the hospital. But in order to prosecute a cop which is just about the hardest thing in the world to do, the story about how it got ot that point matters! And like Dee pointed out its the easiest play in the book for the police to find one lie in the narrative and then claim that the one lie is enough for them to dismiss the case in total. And in that event more bad cops get off scott free. And thats why I think the spokesman did a bad job. cinci
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The difference between your friend and this situation I would bet my quickly dwindling 401k is that your friend wasnt a prominent NFL player. Remember, the whole encounter was supposedly over Donald Driver not his father. So it would be hard to believe that he started an argument over Donald Driver but didnt know he was a pro bowl reciever. Now he might have just been the dumbest sob on the planet but its hard to take the next step in the story that knowing that Mr Driver is the father of a very high profile NFL player he announced to the world that he was targeting him BECAUSE of said football player and then proceeded to whup his azz. Now could it have happened that way? I guess if you are one of those people who say anything is possible, yes. But it seems more likely to me that they did target Mr Driver over something innocuous and then decided they would teach him a lesson because of some percieved "disrespect" Now the end result is still the same, the man is in the hospital. But in order to prosecute a cop which is just about the hardest thing in the world to do, the story about how it got ot that point matters! And like Dee pointed out its the easiest play in the book for the police to find one lie in the narrative and then claim that the one lie is enough for them to dismiss the case in total. And in that event more bad cops get off scott free. And thats why I think the spokesman did a bad job.

]]> By: cincinnatus est exterminata! http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/transition-it-does-an-obama-body-good/comment-page-2/#comment-22647 cincinnatus est exterminata! Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:59:55 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8417#comment-22647 ...oh and I doubt after this happened, that the brother was focused on anything other than what just happened to his family member and not on larger issues at hand. ...oh and I doubt after this happened, that the brother was focused on anything other than what just happened to his family member and not on larger issues at hand.

]]> By: cincinnatus est exterminata! http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/transition-it-does-an-obama-body-good/comment-page-2/#comment-22646 cincinnatus est exterminata! Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:58:37 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8417#comment-22646 "they would've given the jury an excuse to dismiss the rest of the testimony and that's just the way it works in court." . All they need is an all white jury...seems to work most of the time. . sgwhiteinfla, I get the 'boy who cried wolf' concerns you have, but I didn't hear anything in his story that was that wild. Cops taking personal revenge for something that happened in high school? I personally know of that very thing happening to someone I know...I don't doubt that angle at all. Taking someone behind an alley and having a go? Again, personal experience tells me this is certainly possible. Haven't you ever seen my psychological profile of the personality types most attracted to law enforcement jobs? It's all about high school in many ways. "they would've given the jury an excuse to dismiss the rest of the testimony and that's just the way it works in court."
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All they need is an all white jury...seems to work most of the time.
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sgwhiteinfla, I get the 'boy who cried wolf' concerns you have, but I didn't hear anything in his story that was that wild. Cops taking personal revenge for something that happened in high school? I personally know of that very thing happening to someone I know...I don't doubt that angle at all. Taking someone behind an alley and having a go? Again, personal experience tells me this is certainly possible. Haven't you ever seen my psychological profile of the personality types most attracted to law enforcement jobs? It's all about high school in many ways.

]]> By: sgwhiteinfla http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/transition-it-does-an-obama-body-good/comment-page-2/#comment-22643 sgwhiteinfla Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:47:38 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8417#comment-22643 cinci . What you don't seem to be getting is that I agree with you on that. i don't know how to say it much clearer than I already have. My concern comes from when the spokesman gives a wild story that makes people skeptical to begin with when in point of fact the truth is even had Mr Driver protested AT ALL he didnt deserve to be beaten in that manner. And my ONLY focus is those officers getting whats coming to them. And like I said I dont think that spokesman did his family any favors. Even if the story went down EXACTLY the way he said, which isn't likely, it would have been much better to make the focus the beating of a 58 year old man who had never been in trouble, not the hard to believe narrative. cinci
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What you don't seem to be getting is that I agree with you on that. i don't know how to say it much clearer than I already have. My concern comes from when the spokesman gives a wild story that makes people skeptical to begin with when in point of fact the truth is even had Mr Driver protested AT ALL he didnt deserve to be beaten in that manner. And my ONLY focus is those officers getting whats coming to them. And like I said I dont think that spokesman did his family any favors. Even if the story went down EXACTLY the way he said, which isn't likely, it would have been much better to make the focus the beating of a 58 year old man who had never been in trouble, not the hard to believe narrative.

]]> By: Dee in Columbia MD http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/transition-it-does-an-obama-body-good/comment-page-2/#comment-22642 Dee in Columbia MD Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:46:35 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8417#comment-22642 I meant to add the story was untrue. I meant to add the story was untrue.

]]> By: Dee in Columbia MD http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/transition-it-does-an-obama-body-good/comment-page-2/#comment-22640 Dee in Columbia MD Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:42:01 +0000 http://timeswampland.wordpress.com/?p=8417#comment-22640 Cincy its agreed -- and I think SG makes it clear that he believe the cops abused the victim. Its just that in the process of trying to get a conviction if the cops can prove that the story about the beating was caused because of a vendetta that goes back to them attending to school with the son -- they they would've given the jury an excuse to dismiss the rest of the testimony and that's just the way it works in court. If they catch you in one lie they discount everything else you say. Cincy its agreed -- and I think SG makes it clear that he believe the cops abused the victim. Its just that in the process of trying to get a conviction if the cops can prove that the story about the beating was caused because of a vendetta that goes back to them attending to school with the son -- they they would've given the jury an excuse to dismiss the rest of the testimony and that's just the way it works in court. If they catch you in one lie they discount everything else you say.

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