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		<title>By: sgwhiteinfla</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/re-waxman-dingell-showdown/comment-page-4/#comment-22644</link>
		<dc:creator>sgwhiteinfla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rep. John Dingell&#039;s (D-Mich.) supporters are crying foul over how a key aspect of the fight for the chairmanship of the Energy and Commerce Committee was handled.
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Before the secret-ballot vote Thursday that gave the gavel to Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) complained that Dingell was unfairly denied several key votes in the Democrats’ Steering and Policy Committee. 

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The panel endorsed Waxman 25-22 in a closed-door session Wednesday. But the so-called “exclusive” committee chairmen were not allowed to vote, because their selection had not been ratified by the full caucus for the next Congress.
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That denied Dingell at least three votes — those of Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.), three “exclusive” chairmen who had publicly endorsed Dingell.
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Those three would have tied the Steering Committee vote. If Dingell, as the sitting Energy and Commerce chairman, had been allowed to vote, he would have won the endorsement of the influential committee.
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But either way, both names would have gone to the full caucus for a vote.

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“I doubt seriously it would have changed the outcome,” said a Dingell supporter.
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Stupak said that in the past, sitting chairmen had been allowed to vote.
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A former Steering Committee member who supported Dingell said not allowing “exclusive” chairmen to vote was unprecedented.

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“In the past, they’ve always voted,” the member said. The member said that incoming House Democratic Caucus Chairman John Larson (D-Conn.) said that the rules had been followed, but that Dingell supporters weren’t satisfied.
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A Democratic leadership aide said Larson explained that he’d consulted extensively with Organization, Study and Review Chairman Michael Capuano (D-Mass.), who determined that exclusive chairmen were not eligible to vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rep. John Dingell's (D-Mich.) supporters are crying foul over how a key aspect of the fight for the chairmanship of the Energy and Commerce Committee was handled.<br />
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Before the secret-ballot vote Thursday that gave the gavel to Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) complained that Dingell was unfairly denied several key votes in the Democrats' Steering and Policy Committee. </p>
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<p>The panel endorsed Waxman 25-22 in a closed-door session Wednesday. But the so-called “exclusive” committee chairmen were not allowed to vote, because their selection had not been ratified by the full caucus for the next Congress.<br />
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That denied Dingell at least three votes — those of Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.) and Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.), three “exclusive” chairmen who had publicly endorsed Dingell.<br />
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Those three would have tied the Steering Committee vote. If Dingell, as the sitting Energy and Commerce chairman, had been allowed to vote, he would have won the endorsement of the influential committee.<br />
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But either way, both names would have gone to the full caucus for a vote.</p>
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“I doubt seriously it would have changed the outcome,” said a Dingell supporter.<br />
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Stupak said that in the past, sitting chairmen had been allowed to vote.<br />
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A former Steering Committee member who supported Dingell said not allowing “exclusive” chairmen to vote was unprecedented.</p>
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“In the past, they've always voted,” the member said. The member said that incoming House Democratic Caucus Chairman John Larson (D-Conn.) said that the rules had been followed, but that Dingell supporters weren't satisfied.<br />
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A Democratic leadership aide said Larson explained that he'd consulted extensively with Organization, Study and Review Chairman Michael Capuano (D-Mass.), who determined that exclusive chairmen were not eligible to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Shakespeare in GA</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/re-waxman-dingell-showdown/comment-page-4/#comment-22630</link>
		<dc:creator>Shakespeare in GA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kathy says: SG - I usually turn to another channel when Brewer&#039;s on. Can&#039;t abide her. Turns everything into a very large drama, interrupts guests as a matter of principle.
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Her name&#039;s Contessa.  Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kathy says: SG - I usually turn to another channel when Brewer's on. Can't abide her. Turns everything into a very large drama, interrupts guests as a matter of principle.<br />
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Her name's Contessa.  Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: sgwhiteinfla</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/re-waxman-dingell-showdown/comment-page-3/#comment-22624</link>
		<dc:creator>sgwhiteinfla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kathy
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They decided to give it to Towns already?  Wow.  From what I understood Cummings was next in line though</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kathy<br />
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They decided to give it to Towns already?  Wow.  From what I understood Cummings was next in line though</p>
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		<title>By: kathy</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/re-waxman-dingell-showdown/comment-page-3/#comment-22614</link>
		<dc:creator>kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waxman&#039;s gavel&#039;s gone to Towns.  Is this consolation prize to Dingell?

SG - I usually turn to another channel when Brewer&#039;s on.  Can&#039;t abide her.  Turns everything into a very large drama, interrupts guests as a matter of principle.  Did you ever see her when she was reading the news on Imus?  Didn&#039;t work for her.  She didn&#039;t keep good boundaries from Imus&#039; jokes.  yecch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waxman's gavel's gone to Towns.  Is this consolation prize to Dingell?</p>
<p>SG - I usually turn to another channel when Brewer's on.  Can't abide her.  Turns everything into a very large drama, interrupts guests as a matter of principle.  Did you ever see her when she was reading the news on Imus?  Didn't work for her.  She didn't keep good boundaries from Imus' jokes.  yecch.</p>
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		<title>By: kathy</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/re-waxman-dingell-showdown/comment-page-3/#comment-22613</link>
		<dc:creator>kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>beccabyrd - Not KUSA kathy.  Sorry about that.  My cats would appreciate your interest anyway.  two tigers 1 year old, one seems to be a coon cat. Love them both to pieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beccabyrd - Not KUSA kathy.  Sorry about that.  My cats would appreciate your interest anyway.  two tigers 1 year old, one seems to be a coon cat. Love them both to pieces.</p>
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		<title>By: jayackroyd</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/re-waxman-dingell-showdown/comment-page-3/#comment-22608</link>
		<dc:creator>jayackroyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh has a good post on this:
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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/245192.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh has a good post on this:<br />
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<a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/245192.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/245192.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: nibblybits</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/re-waxman-dingell-showdown/comment-page-3/#comment-22587</link>
		<dc:creator>nibblybits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa. Sorry, sgw is way ahead of me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa. Sorry, sgw is way ahead of me.</p>
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		<title>By: nibblybits</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/re-waxman-dingell-showdown/comment-page-3/#comment-22586</link>
		<dc:creator>nibblybits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How far does this go?
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Now that Oversight is open, there&#039;s some jockeying. Edolphus Towns, who has seniority and backed Dingell, is going against Elijah Cummings, who is 5th in line and backed Waxman.
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http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/maloney-backs-towns-for-oversight-post-2008-11-19.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How far does this go?<br />
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Now that Oversight is open, there's some jockeying. Edolphus Towns, who has seniority and backed Dingell, is going against Elijah Cummings, who is 5th in line and backed Waxman.<br />
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<a href="http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/maloney-backs-towns-for-oversight-post-2008-11-19.html" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/maloney-backs-towns-for-oversight-post-2008-11-19.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: beccabyrd</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/re-waxman-dingell-showdown/comment-page-3/#comment-22584</link>
		<dc:creator>beccabyrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kathy- isn&#039;t it serendipitous that Dingellberry got flushed and Waxman gets his seat (don&#039;t bother pardoning the pun) and there&#039;s news of a possible deal for Detroit?

Do I dare to dream that, even with gas prices plummeting (they always seem to rise and fall at crucial moments, don&#039;t they?)the focus will remain on alternatives? 

BTW- are you kathy of KUSA? I&#039;m dying to ask about your cats, if so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kathy- isn't it serendipitous that Dingellberry got flushed and Waxman gets his seat (don't bother pardoning the pun) and there's news of a possible deal for Detroit?</p>
<p>Do I dare to dream that, even with gas prices plummeting (they always seem to rise and fall at crucial moments, don't they?)the focus will remain on alternatives? </p>
<p>BTW- are you kathy of KUSA? I'm dying to ask about your cats, if so.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee in Columbia MD</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/20/re-waxman-dingell-showdown/comment-page-3/#comment-22576</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee in Columbia MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well maybe I&#039;m being selfish because Cummings is my Congressman, but he gets my vote - oh I did that already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well maybe I'm being selfish because Cummings is my Congressman, but he gets my vote - oh I did that already.</p>
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