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	<title>Comments on: Tom Daschle and Health Care Reform</title>
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		<title>By: Karen Tumulty</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/19/tom-daschle-and-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-22304</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Tumulty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KT here--

Pluk: The 1993 Clinton plan, as Hillary Clinton has acknowledged, would have set up big purchasing alliances (known as HIPCs) that everyone would have had to be a part of. There would have been options within that system, but everyone would have been in a new kind of system. She herself says that was the big mistake she made, politically. That&#039;s why, this time around, she stressed that her plan would let people who currently have coverage keep EXACTLY the coverage they have, if they like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KT here--</p>
<p>Pluk: The 1993 Clinton plan, as Hillary Clinton has acknowledged, would have set up big purchasing alliances (known as HIPCs) that everyone would have had to be a part of. There would have been options within that system, but everyone would have been in a new kind of system. She herself says that was the big mistake she made, politically. That's why, this time around, she stressed that her plan would let people who currently have coverage keep EXACTLY the coverage they have, if they like it.</p>
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		<title>By: plukasiak</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/19/tom-daschle-and-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-22222</link>
		<dc:creator>plukasiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; But unlike the Clinton plan, it would not require Americans who now have coverage (and are satisfied with it) to give that up.&quot;

um, Karen, this is so deceptive as to be false.

The 1993 Clinton plan did not force anyone to give up coverage.  What it did do was force employers to provide at minimum, an &quot;affordable&quot; managed/care/HMO type of plan -- and set standards for what constituted &quot;health insurance&quot;.   

In other words, if you were getting ripped off by a company that claimed to be providing health insurance, but wouldn&#039;t cover most costs, and you didn&#039;t know you were getting ripped off (&quot;satisfied with your coverage&quot;) yes, you&#039;d have to switch.   But the only people who would have to switch were those who were enrolled in really crappy programs anyway....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>" But unlike the Clinton plan, it would not require Americans who now have coverage (and are satisfied with it) to give that up."</p>
<p>um, Karen, this is so deceptive as to be false.</p>
<p>The 1993 Clinton plan did not force anyone to give up coverage.  What it did do was force employers to provide at minimum, an "affordable" managed/care/HMO type of plan -- and set standards for what constituted "health insurance".   </p>
<p>In other words, if you were getting ripped off by a company that claimed to be providing health insurance, but wouldn't cover most costs, and you didn't know you were getting ripped off ("satisfied with your coverage") yes, you'd have to switch.   But the only people who would have to switch were those who were enrolled in really crappy programs anyway....</p>
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		<title>By: Friar Tuck</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/19/tom-daschle-and-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-22177</link>
		<dc:creator>Friar Tuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Small plane&quot; sounds so dangerous - that&#039;s why we like to refer to it as &quot;general aviation.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Small plane" sounds so dangerous - that's why we like to refer to it as "general aviation."</p>
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		<title>By: Dee in Columbia MD</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/19/tom-daschle-and-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-22154</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee in Columbia MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having had the pleasure (and I am truly being facetious here) of riding in a small plane once! I can understand why this trip stuck in your mind.  And the fact that you flew with him given the general sense of congressional incompetence I am still in awe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having had the pleasure (and I am truly being facetious here) of riding in a small plane once! I can understand why this trip stuck in your mind.  And the fact that you flew with him given the general sense of congressional incompetence I am still in awe.</p>
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		<title>By: FlownOver</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/19/tom-daschle-and-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-22149</link>
		<dc:creator>FlownOver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>coffee –

Imho, in the recent unpleasantness KT almost singlehandedly corrected the historical image of Time. You may recall the old line that Luce&#039;s major accomplishment was the creation of two magazines: Life, for those who couldn&#039;t read, and Time, for those who couldn&#039;t think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>coffee –</p>
<p>Imho, in the recent unpleasantness KT almost singlehandedly corrected the historical image of Time. You may recall the old line that Luce's major accomplishment was the creation of two magazines: Life, for those who couldn't read, and Time, for those who couldn't think.</p>
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		<title>By: trifecta</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/19/tom-daschle-and-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-22139</link>
		<dc:creator>trifecta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am getting a wee bit excited that policy is going to be important again. Policy is so much more fun than ideology, except to ideologues of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting a wee bit excited that policy is going to be important again. Policy is so much more fun than ideology, except to ideologues of course.</p>
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		<title>By: pourmecoffee</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/19/tom-daschle-and-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-22136</link>
		<dc:creator>pourmecoffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KT - Did you save your correspondence with Mr. Luce? &quot;Dearest Henry, I am starting to feel as if you will never leave Clare ...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KT - Did you save your correspondence with Mr. Luce? "Dearest Henry, I am starting to feel as if you will never leave Clare ..."</p>
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		<title>By: Paul-no not that one</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/19/tom-daschle-and-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-22131</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul-no not that one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent piece KT. And so fast!
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&quot;There is some speculation that health care reform in the Obama Administration will have to take a back seat to fixing the economy. Daschle has argued that one can&#039;t happen without the other&quot;
And Daschle is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent piece KT. And so fast!<br />
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"There is some speculation that health care reform in the Obama Administration will have to take a back seat to fixing the economy. Daschle has argued that one can't happen without the other"<br />
And Daschle is right.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Tumulty</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/19/tom-daschle-and-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-22130</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Tumulty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KT here--

Actually, Dee, I don&#039;t hang onto ALL of them, and have no system for knowing what&#039;s actually IN most of the ones I do keep. But I knew where that one was. It was a really enlightening trip. Plus, when we had to fly in a tiny plane at one point, Daschle flew it himself. I later found out that was sort of his hazing ritual for reporters from DC who came to SD. He seemed to love the horrified look on their faces when he got in the pilot&#039;s seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KT here--</p>
<p>Actually, Dee, I don't hang onto ALL of them, and have no system for knowing what's actually IN most of the ones I do keep. But I knew where that one was. It was a really enlightening trip. Plus, when we had to fly in a tiny plane at one point, Daschle flew it himself. I later found out that was sort of his hazing ritual for reporters from DC who came to SD. He seemed to love the horrified look on their faces when he got in the pilot's seat.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee in Columbia MD</title>
		<link>http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/11/19/tom-daschle-and-health-care-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-22128</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee in Columbia MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KT I am in awe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KT I am in awe.</p>
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