Neogone

Joe, do you consider yourself GOP or independant?
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I'm asking seriously. No axes to grind here.
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I am absolutely thrilled that the Neocons have expired. Like PUMAs and the likes of Salter, who went with "back of the bus stuff" because "the media and Obama made us do it" (quotes not exact).
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I look forward to seeing just what the GOP reconsitoots itself as. I'm pretty sure that there will be seveal abortive attempts (pun intended!)...

Tanenhaus is important to watch. This AEI talk was great:

http://www.aei.org/events/eventID.1550/event_detail.asp (the MP3 is in the upper right hand corner.)

Jim Sleeper's analysis of Tanenhaus's talk was great too (a bit on the intellectual side, but worth trying to wade through the density).

I am absolutely thrilled that the Neocons have expired.

I'm not so sure about that... we'll see.

Neogone... I love it! We have been neoconned for too long and now the party is over. The best man for the job won the presidency and the adults are back in charge.
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A new era has dawned...

I love it too. Wonder where Liebermann will be wandering these days? That scab has some thinkin' to do - maybe what he needs to do is start thinking "USA" instead of "Israel".
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After all, Isreal has their own politicians.
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Neogene Period, according to wiki:
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"The Neogene is a geologic period and system starting 23.03 ± 0.05 million years ago and lasting either until today or ending 2.588 million years ago with ..."
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I'm going to say that "today" in that quote just might be "November 4, 2008".

Reading around this morning it astonishes me how many Republicans think they lost because they didn't game this correctly. May their stars ever rise. But Jeb Bush and Pawlenty seem like they understand that the party has to stand for something in a positive way, and that they have to stop pushing away every constituency if they want to win.
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I'm also surprised how many Republicans think the answer is to push "small government." Most Americans now see that as "incompetent government that doesn't deliver services but charges us for a big government." We should have a motto contest

Piper - re: the adults being in charge. I was surprised that Obama called out the politics of Washington as being "immature" in his election speech. Accurate, but it usually gets called by other partisan names. This is just an accurate description.

'Still, I would also like to encourage Randy Scheunemann, Bill Kristol et al to continue to coalesce around Sarah Palin--her intellectual rigor and clarity, especially on foreign policy, indicate that she represents the real future of the neoconservative movement.'
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Brilliant!!

what about the fact that dennis ross may be obamas key advisors on all things middle east. he might not be as hardcore as the richard perles of the world but he certainly is a fellow traveller of the neocons. at best it will signal a return to clintonian positions. and while that seems like a breath of fresh air considering the last 8 years, i suspect a certain staleness to obama foreign policy advisors in this region. i hope im wrong.

BTW, has anyone done a fairly impartial analysis that shows who in the new consituted House and Senate on both sides are moderates?
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I would really like to see how the moderates on both sides did!

You are overanalyzing Scheunemann. He's in a bad Saved By The Bell episode - the one where he disrespects his plain girlfriend to go for the hot chick, who in turn dumps him and then he has no one with whom to go to the prom. It's all covered by SBTB episodes

I, for one thank God we that have a Centrist consensus.

If we didn't, we'd make colossal and horrible foreign policy mistakes, like invading a country that hadn't threatened us, and then occupying that bitterly divided nation with a force level insufficient to check civil war and sporadic instances of genocide.

Thank the Lord that the Centrists were there to prevent the neo-Conservatives from f**king up our national interests so badly.

O what would we do without Centrists and their always-right consensus?

Why, we'd have to rely on the opinions and strategies of those distasteful leftists! We'd have to accept as legitimate the judgment of people who, I don't know, made speeches before the invasion about how the neo-Conservatives were wrong and about to take the country in a predictably disastrous direction.

Thank you, thank you, thank you Centrist consensus-makers!

I can't wait for the Centrist consensus policy judgment to help our country do the smart thing year after year once again!

JJ Says:
Thursday, November 6, 2008 at 12:03 pm
I am absolutely thrilled that the Neocons have expired.

I'm not so sure about that... we'll see.

I'm with you JJ. They might not get the second seat at the Sunday news talk shows but I see the white sheets and church burnings appearing again. This country is far more polarized than the media will ever (ever) show. A bunch of folks just lost their privileged status and their "birthright".

bobcn1:
I hope that they simply collapse into their own ideological black hole and suck the rest of those Neocons with him.
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Can any remind me of just why I should continue to capitalize "Neoconservative"?

53: Can any remind me of just why I should continue to capitalize "Neoconservative"?
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Dunno. Strikes me more as a swear word. Like the pejorative "[letter-after-M]igger."

Palin / Scheunemann 2012!!
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The perfect combination of faith and ideology. If the republicans don't want them they can run on the End-of-Days ticket.

sz, thanks for the 2002 Obama speech link! It's hel! being right, isn't it?

centfan:
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Many on my wife's side of the family have voiced their concerns about possible backlashes by those "angry white males".
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It has definitely been on the minds of a lot of people I've talked to, but what's interesting is that their beacons (Hannity, Rush, etc.) have been strangely silent or absent.
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When the GOP finds it has a reasonable shot at maybe 40% of the electorate that just kicked it's eeeeelektorial azz in such sound fashion, they might just pay more attention to John Boehmer's comments in the piece Joe posted.

From Tanenhaus's piece:
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"The key word in Mr. Gerson's analysis is “movement,” a term more applicable to moral or spiritual crusades than to the practical matters of governance, particularly governance in a two-party system, where success almost invariably requires compromise, consensus and a mind open to all manner of workable solutions.
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These have not been, historically, the strength of “movement conservatives,” who prefer arguments built on first principles often expressed in supercharged rhetoric. “Conservatives seem to have a genius for winning the all-important semantic battles..."
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This is exactly right. They argue on a *semantic* basis--they argue like lawyers, not problem solvers. Often, semantic manipulation is more important to them than reality. A perfect example is this political press and climate change hearing with Inhofe's flak Marc Morano:
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http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/29/11225/543
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There's no reasonable discussion of the truth. Shared empirical fact hardly ever makes an appearance. It's all about the semantics and perception manipulation.
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More from Tanenhaus:
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"The topics scheduled for the conservative conference on Thursday, according to one participant, include a discussion of how to rebuild a “national grass-roots political and policy coalition” modeled on the one conservatives put together in the 1970s, when in the waning days of liberal hegemony, Beltway organizations like the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation extruded position papers, and publications like The Public Interest and Commentary became citadels of conservative ideology."
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This time, the tiny left wing conspiracy has to be ready for them...

"Movement conservative." It's an oxymoron, isn't it?

At long as the MSM gives them a platform (i.e., gives them space in newspapers, as a talking head on cable news, and on radio talk shows) they're not going awat anytime soon.
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It didn't seem to affect Michelle Bachmann's politcal career.

"Movement conservative." "Bowel movement." Is there a difference?

"Dunno. Strikes me more as a swear word. Like the pejorative "[letter-after-M]igger." "
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Pseudo-code rocks!
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Thinking more on it, the perjoritive you described is what the ignorant GOP base imagined Black Americans to be, and "Neoconservative" describes what we imagine them to be.
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And in reality, neither one exists!

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Mr. Nice Guy:
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Just got back form a summons by nature, and I am happy to report that the is no difference!