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Mickey Kaus has me on his mind, lately...which is always nice, in a perverse way. But he's gotten a few things wrong. First, he says that I like McCain personally, but just can't support him because of the disgraceful campaign he's run. Not true, although McCain has certainly run a dreadful campaign. My objections to McCain were clear well before the mud started flying: I think his neoconservative foreign policy--the desire to keep long-term bases in Iraq, the refusal to talk with Iran and Syria, the free-range saber-rattling-- would be a disaster. I also believe that his trickle-down economic plan is oh so 30 years ago. So, no, Mick, it's not just the sleaze, it's also the substance.
A more important--and more typically Mickey--mistake is his disapproval of Obama's use of the phrase "teachable moment" in his interview with me last week:
There are good reasons to have high expectations for an Obama presidency, but the possibility of more "teachable moments" isn't one of them. Is the presidency an adult education class? The whole concept of seeing voters as needing "teaching"--as opposed to persuading, or even selling-- seems more than a bit condescending. [He was just sucking up to Joe Klein--ed Good point.]
Actually, no. A President needs to be a really good teacher, especially in tough times. I remember my parents talking about how FDR told everyone to go out and buy maps and boxes of pins at the beginning of World War II so they could follow the progress of our troops. He became the nation's geography teacher--and, as a consequence, our parents tend to have a better grasp of geography than our kids do. It would have been nice if George W. Bush had taken the opportunity to do a little teaching about Islam and the Middle East region after September 11. Obama's ability to teach--or, at least, to explain--what the bailout was all about was one of his strongest moments in the debates. If he wins, this ability will be one of his strongest attributes as President...In any case, what's the difference between teaching and selling? You're playing word games, Mickey.
By the way, I noticed that Kaus is voting for Obama. But I haven't seen a straight-ahead explanation of why he's doing so...Mickey? Over to you.
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Substituting "bully pulpit" for "teachable moment" would be a politically correct phrasing in Mickey's eyes, I think.
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I noticed that Kaus is voting for Obama. But I haven't seen a straight-ahead explanation of why he's doing so...Mickey? Over to you.
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Ugh. There's aren't any actual live humans that want to read that, are there? "Playing word games" would be a much better title for his column than "Kausfiles." -
The whole 'teachable moment' thing could also be compared to the notion of a 'bully pulpit.'
They called That One a socialist, too.
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Are you kidding me? The Heritage Foundation has erected an entire shrine to Reagan's teachings. You have to take your shoes off and bow your head whenever visiting the site, or the keyboard will shock you.
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Something that intrigues me about Obama is that he seems fully interested in being a leader without looking on that as an opportunity to consolidate political power. I hope I'm right.
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The interview with Petraeus comes to mind. Aware that as CIC he would have authority over this person, but paying him the respect of engaging him intellectually on substance. Another teachable moment, and in this case principally for Petraeus.
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The change in Obama's demeanor and confidence since the early debates, to a time when he knows he may become the president, is remarkable.
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By contrast, McCain has seldom behaved in a "presidential" manner in this campaign. -
I haven't read or thought of Kaus in years. My experience with kausfiles was that it was unreadable.
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No one tells Mickey Kaus what to think. Not Obama. Not you, Klein. Not the stinkin' fuzz. Ya hear me, coppers?! He'll plug ya full a lead.
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You know being a leader is all about "teachable moments." You can only improve employee perfomance by doing so. If I remember the MSM was extremly positive about Obama's speech on race.
It gave him credibility when most pols, would have done, like, nothing.
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I'm not offended by Obama's use of "teachable moment," because I think Obama has exemplified his willingness not only to teach but be taught. And that's what I find remarkable about him, and very much a leadership quality.
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When I was a student, the best classes were the ones in which professors prompted people to think through things... more thoroughly, more precisely, or from a different angle. They also encouraged and rewarded students who could do the same thing -- create a teachable moment.
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When I was a high school teacher, I started the first day of ever class telling my students, "I may be your teacher, but I fully expect to learn as much from you as learn from me."
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Now, having worked for three Fortune 500 companies, I find that without a doubt, the best managers and executives are those that create opportunities to both teach/lead and yes, to learn from their employees.
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I want Obama to do exactly the same thing -- be open to listen and learn from a variety of perspectives, and yes, to have an adult dialogue with the American public and create many, many teachable moments. -
I thought the same thing when I read Mickey's post. I was even more surprised (given his nit-picking of all things Obama) that he publicly stated he was voting for Obama. I was less surprised to see that he couldn't bring himself to divulge his reasons for doing so. As you say Joe, "Mickey, the ball's in your court."
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Can I say that I'm in favor of someone who has lots of "teachable moments"? If nothing else, it proves that the POTUS has a grasp of the situation, or at least enough of one to reiterate it to others.
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JK: Mickey Kaus has me on his mind, lately..
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Beats that thing about goats that Kaus has. Maybe it's the beard, Joe.
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...what's the difference between teaching and selling? You're playing word games, Mickey.
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I think Kaus is wrong with the bit about using something as a 'teachable moment' as being condescending, considering that many folks' feelings about issues like race result from ignorance...But I don't quite see where the charge of 'word games' fits, Joe. With selling, the customer doesn't need to think, just buy... -
Gah. Second line shouldn't be in italics.
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The whole concept of seeing voters as needing "teaching"--as opposed to persuading, or even selling-- seems more than a bit condescending.
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Kaus's argument would hold more weight if we hadn't seen that 50% of Americans suffer from exceptionally poor judgement. -
Um ... maybe someone can tell my why teaching Americans a thing or two would be a bad thing.
We're not all that bright when it comes to the rest of the world (or even different parts of our own country), the economy, personal finance, science, and a whole host of other topics.
Having a leader who's not a complete dunce -- and especially not one who sees willful ignorance as a positive character trait -- and who will talk to us like adults would do a world of good.
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I wish more in the MSM would point out McCain has a snowball's chance in hell of achieving bipartisanship if he's elected because of his namecalling.
How can he ask Dems to work with him and not get spit on after calling Pelosi and Reid "dangerous"? Doesn't he realize he's calling 36 million Americans "socialists" and promoters of "communism" when he and Palin distort Obama's tax policies the way they do? We who voted for Obama and Hillary are not to happy to hear that kind of crap.
But, I'm with Joe. As a Hillary supporter I knew I would never vote for McCain because it was clear, from his economic advisers, he had no clue about the economy and what was needed to fix things. I found his obsession with earmarks annoying and petty. Plus, I hated how he was running on his biography and not solid policy proposals. To be honest that's one reason I picked Hillary over Obama but Obama very quickly started adding meat to his rhetoric.
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Does Mickey Kaus have a loyal readership? I found his stuff to be very inessential reading (back when i bothered to read it at all.)
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As for teaching Americans, I would LOVE for a President to show up to the state of the union with a couple of simple charts: a pie chart showing what we spend the budget on, and a bar chart showing the difference between tax revenues and expenditures.
"So if we want to balance the budget, let's look at how much of our pie chart is currently going to defense, how much goes to social security, etc."
I'd guess that about 90% of Americans would learn something new from that.
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offTopic: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/mccain-miami-rally-getting-ugly-down.html
I hope our nation doesnt have a teachable moment in why it's wrong to gin up votes based solely on fear, demonization and intolerance.
Theres a real fear of solcialism and communism among hispanic communities, given political events in central and south america in the past and present.
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onTopic I wouldnt mind a leader that teaches and informs us of, for example why the bailout bill needed to pass - instead of going back to thier consituents mails and phonecalls and says nope cant pass the bill, theyll fire me. Or nope cant pass the bill, cant explain it, dont understand it myself.Perhaps we could use a leader with a head on him that could teach us what America is capable of, and how we can get there.
there is a miserable discrepancy in the abilities of these candidates, Im frankly surprised the polls arent more like 75-20.
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my comment is in moderation - I misspelled socialism
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Hasn't anyone considered the possibility that Mickey Kaus is practically perfect in every way, and thus looks down upon us regular Americans who still have things to learn? (Like how one would adjust these new login names. I miss capital letters!)
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Also, it may just be possible that Mickey Kaus merely believes in his own infallibility and is projecting his own arrogance, per usual. -
g_crush - I, too, find Kaus unreadable. But the goat thing kinda lost its sting in light of subsequent events.
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Kaus is a hack. Joe, I am so glad you have seen the light of reality based reporting.
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letaaronbeaaron -
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3. click the 'profile' link on the upper right
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billiecat: ...the goat thing kinda lost its sting in light of subsequent events.
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Oh, but the point of the whole thing was:..if you just operate from within an assumption of guilt it's very hard for someone to prove his innocence but that's why we . . . don't operate with an assumption of guilt!
The whole thing about Kaus and the goats has never been disproven, has it? Plus, it's funny as all get-out.
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"It would have been nice if George W. Bush had taken the opportunity to do a little teaching about Islam and the Middle East region after September 11."
He tried. He spoke about a crusade.
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